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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (92170)	2/9/2000 1:13:00 AM
From: Cirruslvr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575246

Tench - RE: "Coppermine's die already includes cache. Current Athlons need to add off-chip cache and a daughtercard to the cost, while "Socketmines" are already beginning to show up, starting in the low-end, and moving into the entire Pentium III line by the end of this year." You were specifically asking die size... And if Cumine is so much cheaper to make, why don't prices at Pricewatch even hint at that when compared to the AThlon? "Thunderbolt and Spitfire will no doubt have larger die sizes than Coppermine. It won't matter for Thunderbolt, since the performance will sell it, but for Spitfire, the die size can be a real detriment, especially since it's going to compete against Coppermine-128." I think Ace's has speculated Spitfire (128KB L2 cache) will be ~114mm2. That is clearly larger than the K6-2, about 40%, but Athlon yields are supposed to be good while Ace's has said K6-x is still having problems at high MHZ even on .18. And Spitfire may start off at 600MHz which is probably nothing stressful at all for a .18 process if AMD could get to 700 in .25. This is assuming AMD doesn't have cache "issues" like the K6-III. So good yields should offset a lot of the die size difference. I guess AMD will eat the rest of the difference in cost, unless it is packaged differently. Saturn V was saying AMD doesn't use plastic something like Intel does. "It won't matter for Willamette, since the performance will sell it. Speaking of which, I don't think Willamette's die size is as big as you think (though it depends on what your assumptions are)." You once said Willy will be big and PB has said the same. "Itanium and Foster, well, that's BIG." Foster too? Interesting. I guess that means it will have more "stuff" than Willy.