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To: Zeddie88 who wrote (10493)	2/13/2000 7:05:00 PM
From: jw	Respond to of 14778

Let me say something until Howard shows!!!!May/May Not be correct~~~~ Is the definition of a Coppermine an Intel PIII chip with 0.18 Micron technology or is it both the 0.18 and 0.25 versions? My understanding the Coppermine is among the latest of Intels CPUs. All .018 Microns. (No.25). They come in both flavors, PIII Slot 1, and PIII FC-PGA. (Think) Flip Chip, Professional Golf Association<g>. The Coppermine Slot 1 would go into a ATX slot 1 MoBo. The FC-PGA (Celerons) would go into the ATX FC-PGA,(earlier called the Socket 7 370 pin). Adapters are made to install a earlier 370 pin into the FC-PGA, not sure the other way around. An adapter works to install the FC-PGA into a Slot 1 MOBO. Or buy the FC-PGA MOBO. 2. From the Intel PIII processor website, the 100MHz FSB chip is called the 600E., I'm thinking the 600e is a FC-PGA. On, lc-sys.com, WEB site it shows up to 550 FC-PGA are 100 FSB, higher are 133 FSB. Maybe I'm wrong here. How does one know if one if running on a 100Mhz or 133MHz FSB system, on my BH6 when I boot Up I see Celeron 450, then in Setup under, ROM PCI/ISA BIOS, I see 450/100, I asume this means running at 450 W/100 FSB, Below this I see , CORE VOLTAGE 2.00v, Guessing these two have to be tweaked to O/cclock verify that 1. I have the 600E and not the 600B or 600EB chip, and 2. that the system is indeed running at 133Mhz?.. This I don't know, perhaps there is a utility program that will tell us. Otherwise may have to visually inspect, not sure. HOWARD? Regards, /jw

To: Zeddie88 who wrote (10493)	2/13/2000 9:15:00 PM
From: Howard R. Hansen	Respond to of 14778

Is the definition of a Coppermine an Intel PIII chip with 0.18 Micron technology or is it both the 0.18 and 0.25 versions? Coppermine refers to PIIIs manufactured using 0.18 micron technology. It also refers to PIII's that have an integrated 256 Kbyte level 2 cache that runs at full processor speed. PIIIs manufactured using 0.25 micron technology are not Coppermines. From the Intel PIII processor website, the 100MHz FSB chip is called the 600E. In the quotation above, it is referenced as the 600B which in my mind refers to the 133Mhz, 512Kb 1/2 speed L2 cache version. Who is correct? You are correct. The person who wrote this message had the right idea but made a mistake. He should have said 600E. The following is from an Intel data sheet. Processor - Core --- FSB ---- Frequency ------------ HZ ------ HZ ---- Multiplier -- 600 ---- 600 ---- 100 --------- 6 -- 600B --- 600 ---- 133.33 ------ 4.5 -- 600E --- 600 ---- 100 --------- 6 -- 600EB -- 600 --- 133.33 ------ 4.5 All frequencies are in MHz. The suffix B means a 133 MHz FSB CPU. Intel uses the suffix E to distinguish coppermine PIIIs from 0.25 micron technology PIIIs that run at the same FSB frequency. Using the same thought process as the message writer then it should be 600E. 2. How does one know if one if running on a 100Mhz or 133MHz FSB system? One way is to look at the FSB frequency settings. If switches were used to set the FSB frequency one would have to look at the switch settings. If the BIOS was used to set the FSB frequency than one could enter the BIOS during boot up at and look at the settings. I provided two methods because you can configure a P3B-F motherboard using either switch settings or the BIOS. Use the same method to check the FSB frequency as your computer store used to configure your computer. If I went in to the store to pick up my computer, is the something I could do to verify that 1. I have the 600E and not the 600B or 600EB chip, and 2. that the system is indeed running at 133Mhz? It might be difficult to do at the store but at home you can verify the CPU you received is what you ordered and possibly verify the FSB is running at 133 Mhz by using Intel's Frequency ID utility. I say possibly because Intel uses the word help in their description for their Frequency ID utility when it comes to determining if a CPU has been over clocked. See the following URL. support.intel.com If the Frequency ID utility doesn't correctly identify your computer FSB frequency than as required check the switch settings or the FSB frequency settings in the BIOS. Using a combination of Intel's Frequency ID utility and either checking the switch settings or the settings in the BIOS you can positively verify which Intel CPU is being used and what the FSB frequency is.

To: Zeddie88 who wrote (10493)	2/14/2000 11:57:00 AM
From: Howard R. Hansen	Respond to of 14778

is the something I could do to verify that 1. I have the 600E and not the 600B or 600EB chip, and 2. that the system is indeed running at 133Mhz? A couple more comments on this question. I don't know if Intel's Frequency ID utility will tell you if a processor is a 600 or a 600E as I have no way of testing the program with a PIII. But it will tell you the size of the CPU's level 2 cache and from that you can determine whether you have a 0.18 or 0.25 micron technology PIII. Then Intel provide the following information on their site. "Beginning with the Pentium III processor, the Intel Processor Frequency ID Utility has the capability to provide actual and intended frequency, or speed, information."