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To: Simon Thornington who wrote (257)	2/14/2000 11:05:00 PM
From: Dave Triplett	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1001

What nonsense. Here is how one small part of the game is played. I have over 3 years and thousands of trades and have noticed the same thing using different brokers. 1. You get very fast fills going long only to find the stock stalls and drops and you now get very slow fills or not filled at all to get out...even if your sell is in well before the stock starts down. 2. You buy 500 shares and get filled 100, 200, 200 over a 3 minute period and your told there were not enough shares to quickly fill you at 500. You look back at your time and sales and see 2000, 5000, and 10,000 went off in front and in back of you. 3. Do not daytrade in an IRA...your trading only one side of the market and will get taken. 4. When I'm very sure a stock is going up and buy even a slow stock the fills are very slow...why?,because the stock is going to be taken up and they don't want to make you money....they want your money.

To: Simon Thornington who wrote (257)	2/14/2000 11:23:00 PM
From: Dave Triplett	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1001

Schwab has told me they have over 60 market makers. and as far as a single market maker moving stock they sure as heck can. Plus many stocks have more than one market maker and they can work in concert. I have seen stocks move far and fast on very little volume...that spells MMM Market Maker Manipulation. I have seen stocks drop like a rock over a 5 minute period on low volume and then a very high volume of buys over a 20 minute period doesn't even move the stock.