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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (93204)2/15/2000 4:23:00 AM
From: dumbmoney  Respond to of 1571690
 
Low-level debug? What do you mean specifically? I'll bet low-level debug is pretty tough on modern-day x86 code already.

Despite its many worts, the x86 is VERY easy to work with. And it hasn't changed in any important way in 15 years.

IA64 is not programmer-friendly. But of course, it's not supposed to be. It's just supposed to be fast.



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (93204)2/15/2000 9:49:00 AM
From: Scumbria  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571690
 
Ten,

how practical is hand-optimizing assembly code these days anyway, even on RISC and/or CISC? I'm sure it's still done in some critical areas, but I'm almost positive Intel will have tools that can help hand-optimize critical sections in IA-64 code.

Low-level debug? What do you mean specifically? I'll bet low-level debug is pretty tough on modern-day x86 code already.


Programmers tend to like to do naughty things, because it makes them feel creative, and it is good for their job security. With VLIW architectures, any deviation from the standard tool flow is deadly.

By low level debug, I mean machine instruction level. Debugging hardware under Windows usually requires this because there is so much junk in the OS.

Scumbria

Scumbria



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (93204)2/15/2000 5:53:00 PM
From: Gopher Broke  Respond to of 1571690
 
Tench, <<I'll bet low-level debug is pretty tough on modern-day x86 code already>>

Tough, but necessary. A Dr Watson generated by a software crash in the field is hard enough to diagnose when you are talking x86 code. Sure, there may be better tools in the pipeline. Show them to me and then maybe I will be convinced.