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To: kash johal who wrote (99413)	2/17/2000 10:02:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Kash - Re: " PAY ATTENTION - Windows 64 is DELAYED for IA 64." Perhaps not. Take a look at this. Microsoft and Intel Deliver Increased Developer Support for 64-Bit Windows For the Itanium Processor Platform The IA-64 SDK for 64-bit Windows includes a 64-bit server version of Windows 2000, a Microsoft C/C++ compiler and linker for IA-64, Intel C++ and FORTRAN 90 compilers for 64-bit Windows and 64-bit Windows 2000 libraries, header files and run-time libraries. The SDK also includes supporting tools and documentation. Paul {===================================} biz.yahoo.com Thursday February 17, 6:21 pm Eastern Time Company Press Release SOURCE: Microsoft Corp. Microsoft and Intel Deliver Increased Developer Support for 64-Bit Windows For the Itanium Processor Platform New Microsoft Developer's Lab and Updated Tools Provide Developers With Resources to Accelerate Solution Development for 64-Bit Windows on Itanium Processor Platforms REDMOND, Wash., Feb. 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq: MSFT - news) and Intel Corp. today announced updates to key tools as well as resources for software development on the 64-bit Windows® for the Itanium(TM) processor platform. Microsoft has opened a 64-bit Windows Developer's Lab in Redmond to support the porting and tuning of key software applications. Microsoft and Intel also announced delivery of an advanced version of the IA-64 Software Development Kit (SDK) for 64-bit Windows, providing the latest operating system release, compilers, linkers and libraries to hardware and software developers who are already working on software development for 64-bit Windows. To extend the reach of these tools, Microsoft plans on releasing a beta version of 64-bit Windows and tools in the second quarter of 2000. Microsoft expects to release 64-bit Windows concurrently with production of the Itanium processor. In addition, major original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) demonstrated significant progress toward development of complete 64-bit Microsoft® Windows solutions on the Itanium processor platform. This week at the Intel Developer Forum, several software and hardware vendors showcased the progress they have made using existing software tools from Microsoft and Intel. The OEMs included Bull, Compaq Computer Corp., Dell Computer Corp., Fujitsu Corp., Siemens Computers, Hewlett-Packard Co., IBM Corp. and NEC Corp. Independent software vendors (ISVs) included SAP AG, AEA Technology Engineering Software, MARC Analysis Research Corp. and Softimage Inc., a subsidiary of Avid Technology Inc. ''Seven OEMs running major applications at the Intel Developer Forum highlight the tremendous progress already made on 64-bit Windows for the Itanium processor platform,'' said Stephen L. Smith, vice president and general manager of the IA-64 Processor Division at Intel. ''With the addition of these new tools and capabilities by Microsoft and Intel, IA-64 applications developers will be able to accelerate the development of optimized e-business and technical computing solutions.'' ''The opening of our 64-bit Windows Developer's Lab and the release of the updated 64-bit Windows SDK are further examples of the ongoing development efforts between Microsoft and Intel to address the needs of high-end computing customers,'' said Jim Allchin, group vice president of the Windows Division at Microsoft. ''The combination of 64-bit Windows and the Itanium processor will drive the next generation of high-performance, scalable servers and workstations that will power the Internet. Microsoft is excited to be delivering tools and developer services today to ensure that our partners and customers are ready to take advantage of this next wave of computing.'' Microsoft's 64-Bit Windows Developer's Lab The 64-bit Windows Developer's Lab, based at Microsoft's corporate headquarters in Redmond, provides developers with direct support from Microsoft's IA-64 software experts and broader access to the Intel Itanium processor-based systems needed to build and test their applications. Though the virtual private networking, terminal services and remote command capabilities of 64-bit Windows, the lab will broaden its support by providing developers with secure remote access to its network and access to the lab at any time and from any location. Microsoft demonstrated these capabilities at the Intel Developer Forum this week. More information about the Microsoft 64-bit Windows Developer's Lab can be obtained by sending e-mail to drgwin64@microsoft.com. IA-64 Software Developer Kit for 64-Bit Windows The IA-64 SDK for 64-bit Windows enables OEMs and key ISVs to develop, build and prepare their applications and systems for the 64-bit Windows environment. The IA-64 SDK for 64-bit Windows includes a 64-bit server version of Windows 2000, a Microsoft C/C++ compiler and linker for IA-64, Intel C++ and FORTRAN 90 compilers for 64-bit Windows and 64-bit Windows 2000 libraries, header files and run-time libraries. The SDK also includes supporting tools and documentation. About 64-Bit Windows The 64-bit Windows platform will provide high availability, advanced scalability and large memory support for platforms based on the Itanium processor and future IA-64 processors. 64-bit Windows is designed to address the most demanding business needs of today's Internet-based world, including e-commerce, data mining, online transaction-processing, memory-intensive high-end graphics, complex mathematics and high-performance multimedia applications. Final system requirements, pricing and packaging have yet to be announced. More information on 64-bit Windows can be found at microsoft.com. More information on the Itanium processor is available at developer.intel.com. About Intel Intel, the world's largest chip maker, is also a leading manufacturer of computer, networking and communications products. Additional information about Intel is available at intel.com. About Microsoft Founded in 1975, Microsoft is the worldwide leader in software for personal and business computing. The company offers a wide range of products and services designed to empower people through great software -- any time, any place and on any device. Microsoft and Windows are either registered trademarks or trademarks of Microsoft Corp. in the United States and/or other countries. The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective owners. SOURCE: Microsoft Corp. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Quotes and News: Microsoft Corp (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news) Related News Categories: computers, ISDEX, software --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To: kash johal who wrote (99413)	2/17/2000 10:11:00 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Uh Kash, were you trying to put up bulletproof arguments, or were you tossing FUD just for the heck of it? I can understand if it's the latter ... Tenchusatsu

To: kash johal who wrote (99413)	2/17/2000 10:28:00 PM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Kash, All excellent POINTS! PAY ATTENTION - AMD is shipping 850Mhz CPU's TODAY. PAY ATTENTION - Willamette will have a DUAL RAMBUS channel to be competitive. And thats a $3000 system - they will surely sell a lot of these in y2K. PAY ATTENTION - ANOTHER "limited" launch coming from Intel on 1Ghz cumines. Remember AMD can SHIP in VOLUME in Q2. Remember this will PO every other OEM besides HP,IBM and DELL. PAY ATTENTION - TIMNA - is now gonna ship with an offchip ASIC so intel can use low cost SDRAM. If you use your BRAIN this defeats the purpose of the the single chip solution, defeats the purpose of the onchip rambus controller and lowers system performance to CRUSOE levels. PAY ATTENTION - SUN saya SAYONARA to IA 64 anytime soon. PAY ATTENTION - Windows 64 is DELAYED for IA 64. PAY ATTENTION - MONTEREY from IBM is DELAYED for IA 64. Sad that Intel's dog and pony show still effective for the uninformed. FUD at it's finest. And to think some of the uninformed believe that ntel's past will save ntel's future! The future is NOW! steve

To: kash johal who wrote (99413)	2/17/2000 10:47:00 PM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Kash, you got it right. Check this out from "voi_nguyen" dailynews.yahoo.com Thursday February 17 10:01 PM EST Intel confirms problem with chip sets By Ken Popovich, PC Week Intel Corp. has disclosed a problem involving its 820 and 840 chip sets that has spurred the company to scrap plans for three motherboards it had on its server road map. But while an Intel representative stressed that the problem would likely affect only a few users, some analysts said the trouble may indicate a flaw in a crucial component used to configure the boards with SDRAM. The trouble arose when Intel's 820 and 840 chip sets, which were designed to take advantage of speedier Rambus memory, RDRAM, were configured to work with SDRAM. According to Intel, memory errors may result from the combined use of the memory-repeater hub (known as MRH-S), which is used to translate native RDRAM support to SDRAM, and ECC (error correction coding). Intel said it believes few customers will be affected since most 820 and 840 chip set customers using ECC, commonly in workstation and servers, are likely to have gone with Rambus memory for greater performance. However, customers seeking a lower-cost server or workstation solution may have elected to go with less-expensive SDRAM over RDRAM in order to get the highest amount of memory for their money. "We are informing vendors that certain server platforms using the memory repeater hub as well as the error correction coding have been experiencing memory issues or errors," said Dan Francisco, an Intel spokesman. How big a problem? If the problem is actually tied to just the memory-translation hub, it could spell big trouble for Intel, said Mike Feibus, principal analyst at Mercury Research in Scottsdale, Ariz. "We're predicting that more than half of the 840 chip sets that will ship this quarter will be configured with SDRAM," Feibus said. "So if there's trouble with the memory translator, that could pose major problems for Intel." A spokesman for Dell Computer Corp. said the company has avoided packaging SDRAM with 820 and 840 chip sets after it became aware of the problem a couple of weeks ago. A representative at Compaq Computer Corp., which sells workstations with SDRAM, said the company has been made aware of the problem and is working with Intel to resolve it. Officials at Hewlett-Packard Co., which also sells systems packaging SDRAM with the 820 and 840 chip sets, were not immediately available for comment. Industry analyst Kevin Knox said that, while he was unaware of the problem, he's not surprised. "Anytime you put a translator in there [i.e., the memory translator hub], you're asking for trouble," he said. "The 820 and 840 chip sets were not designed for SDRAM," Knox said. "So trying to make them work with SDRAM posed an obvious risk of introducing errors." Pruning the trees The problems involving the memory translator and error correction coding came to light after Intel informed vendors that it was scrapping plans for three chip sets targeted for use in servers. The chip sets, known by the code names Pine, Hemlock and Willow, were developed based on the 820 and 840 chip set designs. Intel had planned to design the boards to accommodate dual processors configured with SDRAM. "We are working to resolve the issue and expect to fix it in the next 'stepping' of the parts," Francisco said. The 820 chip set's introduction was initially delayed last fall due to a platform integration issue involving Rambus. The problem was addressed by altering the motherboard from its original three-slot RIMM configuration to a two-slot RIMM configuration. See this story in context on ZDNN's Page One Section.

To: kash johal who wrote (99413)	2/18/2000 2:49:00 PM
From: SisterMaryElephant	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Kash, <PAY ATTENTION - Willamette will have a DUAL RAMBUS channell to be competitive. And thats a $3000 system - they will surely sell a lot of these in y2K. PAY ATTENTION - TIMNA - is now gonna ship with an offchip ASIC so intel can use low cost SDRAM. If you use your BRAIN this defeats the purpose of the the single chip solution, defeats the purpose of the onchip rambus controller and lowers system performance to CRUSOE levels.> It's not "PAY ATTENTION - TIMNA", you really mean "PAY ATTENTION TO TIMNA". Just from what you are saying, it seems to me that a prime purpose of TIMNA is to lower RDRAM prices in preparation for the Williamette. If Intel succeeds then Williamette systems will not be as expensive as you make it sound. Since TIMNA is meant for low price, high volume systems, then it follows that higher volumes may mean lower RDRAM prices. Furthermore, since AMD will not offer any competition in this segment, Intel will have it's foot on the throttle. The only competition may come from Via. This clearly illustrates the frequent competitive disadvantage that AMD has with regard to Intel; they often depend on a third party to execute on their behalf. Not nice, IMO. Regards. SK