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To: greenspirit who wrote (74615)	2/19/2000 2:54:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I would define a "successful nation" as one which creates an environment where the people synergize in such a way to alleviate poverty, starvation, hunger, and disease. Where the climate is such that any person has an opportunity to develop spiritually, intellectually, and emotionally in whatever way they most desire. This synergistic relationship between people and government, also should help end war and poverty for all the people of planet earth, as well as foster the same kind of aspirations for them. No country has come closer to reaching these ideals than America. I think that last comment a little dangerous, if taken to its logical extreme: since America comes closest to reaching these ideals, everybody else ought to be like America, or ought to submit to American leadership. America suits us because we built it. Every society builds compromises between incompatibles like the desire for freedom and the desire for order. No compromise is universal; each is built to suit the needs of the people doing the building. I can think of individuals from Europe, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Canada - and that's just off the top of my head - who would argue quite persuasively that their own countries have achieved your goals to a much greater extent than ours. I wouldn't say they were right or wrong; I would say that their ways suit them better.

To: greenspirit who wrote (74615)	2/19/2000 11:34:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

We have an extremely high infant mortality rate and an incredible crime rate compared to some of our Western European counterparts- the Scandinavian countries are virtual paradises of synergy. I would think America, with it's hyper violent society (compared to the Western Europeans) and the number of people we have incarcerated, as well as our infant mortality numbers, and our flawed educational system, would place us pretty far down on the successful nation list- at least as determined by your own criteria.