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To: ddcox1 who wrote (4850)2/20/2000 12:45:00 PM
From: telecomguy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14638
 
"2) One has to remember that both Cisco and Nortel were small cap stocks 10 years ago. Outstanding small caps have huge growth rates. Both Nortel and Cisco's will be incumbered by their shear size. Matured companies simply can't expand that fast. Do you really forsee a Cisco with a 50 trillion market cap in 10 years?"

Nortel was NOT a small cap company 10 years ago............you should do some more homework on the industry & these companies in particular. Seems you are strictly looking at numbers and numbers have a way of deceiving people!

Just an advice.



To: ddcox1 who wrote (4850)2/20/2000 2:03:00 PM
From: Bosco  Respond to of 14638
 
Hi David, to do justice, your logic is not foreign to me. As recent as 9 months ago, I was a solid value investor. In fact, even now, my mutual fund portfolio has a solidly 50% value funds. And, even though I ve 35% cash sitting on the sideline, I ve been accumulating value stocks.

I cannot speak for others, but unlike some of my friends, who go whole hog into growth, I am definitely a chicken little who like values :). Having said that, "value" has not been kind to me, as recent as 9 months ago, in the span of three years, my stock portfolio has reached a 50% loss on cost basis! It is my late conversio by moving some of my $ into growht, that is instrumental in saving my sorry hind!

My point? I cannot speak for others, but I think I was trapped by my own rigid thinking. In truth, the whole stock market has been way overvalued, by traditional yardstick, when the Dow hit 4000! But then, how many fund managers got fire if they sat out then. Maybe it is a great fool theory, but I don't think there is an absolute out there. Rather, one should be able to spread one's money around. Some value, some growth and some cash. If one is adventurous, add a bit of aggressive stock to spice things up. If one is cautious, save some cash. 5% in Money Market is still a nice return, you know.

It is interesting you brought up CSCO and NT as mature cos vis a vis small stocks. If one is to examine these "mature cos," they have one thing in common with their smaller relatives, unlike the old conglomerates, they move fast. It is my belief that LU will have to change its strip too.

As far as BCE's spinoff of NT, I do not think your reasoning is what Mr Monty has explicitly stated. Plz don't misunderstand me, you could be right. However, it is doubtful that BCE would want to sell NT if BCE stock appreciated on the par with NT - and if institutional holders didn't make a big fuzz about it.

I really don't know what the future holds for great cos like CSCO and NT, if they don't major mistakes. It is likely that they may reach a plateau. Actually, CSCO is a steady climber. So, it has already moved into the state. While NT is catching up, one should be mindful that she was unnecessarily punished b/c there were too many doubting thomases out there when she acquired BAY. Hopefully, there are still doubting thomases like yourself out there to keep the co on the toe.

Finally, as far as Uncle Al is concerned, obviously, if he were to bungle the softlanding this time, the stock market would suffer. However, my guess is that if it happened, many small caps would suffer worse fate - especially those not in the tech areas who could not attract hot money. Regardless, I do not think NT would hurt more if that happened.

If you think NT is a $40 stock, you will profit handsomely if you short the stock. However, my personal feeling is against the impulse, at least for small investors. Hedge funds can certainly do so, but they are likely to have hedges and they have deeper pocket. Well, I am rambling, so maybe a good time to stop :)

best, Bosco



To: ddcox1 who wrote (4850)2/20/2000 7:12:00 PM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14638
 
Hi David, I agree with most of your points except the last one as it relates to Cisco. A period of rising interest rates does not affect high growth stocks with little to no debt. So Cisco is insulated from the rate increases. However, it will affect companies like Nortel and Lucent who carry a lot of debt.

Also, I think valuation models should change with the new era. I think historically we have looked at PE ratios, and for me they worked very well in identifying good values in the last two decades.

However, I personally feel that the only way to really take a measure of a company now is to look at discounted future operating cash flows. That is why Cisco and Nortel are commanding huge valuations. Nortel still has a lot of work to do in this area though. Their cash flows look real sloppy, whereas Cisco's looks great. My point is that PEs still work for value companies like Kodak, Coke, Xerox, GE, etc. But for tech companies, look at future cash flows. It seems to have a stronger correlation with stock price performance.