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To: Voltaire who wrote (4446)2/20/2000 9:33:00 PM
From: Jill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35685
 
This is not your style, Volty...has none of your rhythms and speed and local metaphor, but if you're sitting next to JW as he writes, I'm glad you're feeling better!

:-)



To: Voltaire who wrote (4446)2/20/2000 9:45:00 PM
From: elpolvo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 35685
 
<voltie looks over at coonzie who is scratching his head in bewilderment. he gives him that "if ya believed that i got some fine watches here for sale too" look... and busts out laughing.>



To: Voltaire who wrote (4446)2/20/2000 9:53:00 PM
From: Ruffian  Respond to of 35685
 
Oh My God,

You actually liked him? You guys broke bread? LoL!

Help the thread. <gg>



To: Voltaire who wrote (4446)2/20/2000 10:04:00 PM
From: Getch  Respond to of 35685
 
Just had the pleasure of meeting your neighbor, candide. As my porch here in the Utah mountains is a bit chilly this time of year, had to settle for late afternoon beers at the No Name Saloon. Not quite the depth of your meeting with Jim Willie, but a good start.

Have not visited here before today, candide recommended I expand my horizons. After a quick scan of the day wonder what a guy from the "middle" who is now Out West can add to this Southern hospitality.

Maybe figure out the South Carolina girl who has stole my heart.

Cheers



To: Voltaire who wrote (4446)2/20/2000 10:31:00 PM
From: Ed Forrest  Respond to of 35685
 
Tom
An impressive post about equally impressive subjects.
Cheers
Ed



To: Voltaire who wrote (4446)2/20/2000 11:26:00 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 35685
 
Voltaire....Thanks for sharing....

Below I enclose an article from an author who thinks we are in 'a stealth bear market' <G>....any thoughts...??

Best Regards,

Scott

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investorsalley.com
Are we in a disguised bear market?
By Timothy Vick, Contributor
Tuesday, February 15, 2000 8:32 PM ET

Now that we have can judge the 1998-99 stock market in retrospect, it?s obvious that something has been rotting underneath the surface of the S&P 500 or Nasdaq.

Consider these sobering facts:
1. The median return of S&P 500 stocks so far this year is minus 8.8 percent. That is, 250 of the 500 stocks have fallen more than 8.8 percent; 250 have performed better. The median return of all U.S. listed stocks so far this year is about 1.8 percent?considerably better than S&P 500 stocks. This indicates that while many large-cap cyclicals may be falling out of favor, some money has been flowing to smaller company stocks.

2. The median return of all U.S. stocks in 1999 was minus 5.8 percent. The median return for all Nasdaq-listed stocks was zero. These figures really bring home the point that last year?s market was totally dominated by a handful of large-cap leaders, such as Cisco Systems, Oracle, Intel, General Electric and others. By my calculations, the average Nasdaq stock sits about 30 percent off its 52-week high, which in more--normal periods of history constituted a true bear market.

3. The median return of all U.S. listed stock in 1998 was minus 14 percent. More than 68 percent of all stocks lost money in 1998, meaning you had about a 32 percent chance of picking a winner that year.

What these figures show is that the bulk of the U.S. stock market has been in a legitimate bear market for about two years now, a fact obscured by the almost daily upwards movements of Nasdaq and technology stocks.

Shift your attention away from the Qualcomms, Ciscos, and Oracles of the world and you will find some real wreckage. Some of Wall Street most favorite stocks just a few years ago have plummeted in price. Some now trade where they did during the 1990-91 recession.

Toymaker Mattel has fallen from $46 in 1998 to a current price of about $10. At its peak, brokerages enthusiastically touted Mattel at 30 times its earnings. Today, no institution wants to touch it at one-quarter its peak price.

Remember Service Corp. International, the ultimate roll-up company that offered perpetual growth by acquiring funeral homes and cemeteries through out North America and Europe? Since mid-1998, the stock has fallen from $46 to about $4. At its peak, it traded for more than 30 times its earnings, so confident were analysts about Service Corp.?s growth prospects. It was one of the best-performing stocks of the 1990s until the industry became racked with a rise in cremations and rising acquisition costs. Today, the company is being given away in the market.

J.C. Penney recently plummeted to $17, its lowest price since the recession. That?s down from $75 in 1998. What?s wrong here? Can a 100-year-old company experience a 77 percent decline in intrinsic value in that short time period? Either, Penney was foolishly bid up to unsustainable highs (which it was) or has sold off to unsustainable lows (which is possible). Sears Roebuck, in falling back to $29 recently, now trades where it did in 1973. Imagine that?not a dollar of gains in 27 years.

I could go on and on describing once-favorite stocks that have either treaded water for two to three years or have fallen to multi-year lows in what should be the best of economic times.

Boston Scientific, Coca-Cola, Gillette, Hershey, Nucor, NIKE, Wendy?s International, PepsiCo, Berkshire Hathaway, Walt Disney, Banc One, Wells Fargo Bank, Hasbro, H&R Block, Compaq Computer, 3Com, Diebold, Delta Airlines, Caterpillar, Dun & Bradstreet, Texaco, Boeing, and Eastman Kodak are some of the many blue-chip names that have provided investors no gains for 2-4 years now.

Each had been bid to such tremendous levels between 1995 and 1998 period that they were destined to provide inferior returns going forward.

But their poor returns pale against those of former wunderstocks that have wiped tens of billions of dollars of net worth from investors. Philip Morris, HEALTHSOUTH, US Air, Sears, Penney, PeopleSoft, Silicon Graphics, Dole Food, Crown Cork & Seal, Service Corp., Pep Boys, Fleetwood Enterprises, Cracker Barrel, Humana, Hilton Hotels, and most mining stocks have seen their stock prices plummet to recession lows or below.

Does this sound like a healthy market to you? This roster of underperformers should awake you to what has really been occurring on Wall Street --a stealth bear market.>>




To: Voltaire who wrote (4446)2/20/2000 11:53:00 PM
From: Ruffian  Respond to of 35685
 
S Korea Hyundai Elec Inks Pact To Ship
6M CDMA Handsets

SEOUL -- South Korea's Hyundai Electronics Industries Co. (Q.HEL)
said Monday it has signed an agreement to export 6 million code division
multiple access, or CDMA, handsets to Audiovox Corp. (VOXX) of the
U.S. for the next two years.

The total value of the export will reach $1.2 billion, marking the largest
single export of handsets by a South Korean company, Hyundai
Electronics said.

Hyundai Electronics said it expects the deal with Audiovox to expand its
market share of handsets in the U.S. to about 16% this year from last
year's 7%.

Hyundai Electronics is a major unit of South Korea's Hyundai Group
(Q.HGP).

At the midday break Monday, shares of Hyundai Electronics were down
1,300 won to KRW90,000 ($1=KRW1,129.40).

-By Chang Woo-hyuk; 822-732-2165; woo-hyuk.chang@dowjones.com




To: Voltaire who wrote (4446)2/22/2000 9:57:00 AM
From: Jim Willie CB  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 35685
 
VoltMan, what the hell are you so eloquently blabbing out?
had to rush down from NCarolina toward the Florida Gulf Coast
made it to Clearwater Monday night in time for nightfall
what a mixed place, Tampa quietly menacing, Clearwater dense yet flowing, Tarpon Springs sedate

at a Kinkos now, reading about Nero and Shakespeare
I thought it was ShakesBeard?
I know nothing of Asian philosophy
wasnt Nero a Indian clothing designer?

I just gotta say a few things about meeting you in the flesh
YOU AINT GOT AS MUCH FLESH AS I IMAGINED
9.5 speed in the 100yd dash????????? wow
I must have uttered that to myself a dozen times
you guarded Fed Biletnikoff while at Southern Miss? wow
forget stock shit, that is the epitaph, MyMan

so Mizippi boasts of:
best wide receiver in Jerry Rice
best running back in Walter Sweetness Peyton
best quarterback in Bret Fahhhver (questionable claim)
best singer ever in Elvis Presley
best writer in Bill Faulkner (my brother met him at age 6)
best stock trader ever in Tom VoltagePrimaFacie

someday you much share with me what that nonsense means which you scribbled about
my meeting with you was truly perspirational, esp my 3 mile run
no, it was inspirational
you have a keen grasp on balance of investments, lifestyle, and women
you have a brilliant grasp on what drives stock prices, what controls the levers, what conditions are important, whose opinions and statements matter, etc
you have a great tactical mind for selling calls for that mere 8-10% return on core position income!!!

gonna integrate that one very soon
like next week if/when QCOM gets into 140's
sell March150 cals agin half my core shares
cannot see QCOM exceeding 150 by March 3rd Friday

it was a memorable weekend, one of many to be sure
remember: not working for the man nomo
Atlanta is hopskipjump from here, the nearest city of substance (Miami=not)
and Clearwater Airport is a puddlejump from here in Mooney flying saucer

I was reminded of you this morning while whisking past a Lexus dealing
my thought was an inquisitive note
"what did Volt say that Lexus loaded with alloy wheels would yield in terms of entrapments on a monthly basis?"
I remember the answer well

I dont wear my denari well, must learn

looking for an entry in CREE today or tomorrow
thinking it might be available in 145-160 range

thanks for stepping out of Planet Beldar with your silver turban
those guys at the restaurant aint seen a space ship like that for year

later, TommyReb
/ Jimmy BlueBelly