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To: Bill who wrote (74952)	2/22/2000 12:40:00 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 108807

Especially when a party has a revolutionary intent, that might be hampered by the scruples or divergent ideas of other parties.....

To: Bill who wrote (74952)	2/22/2000 2:07:00 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 108807

Oh, by the way, the genesis of fascism is out of the socialist milieu. Mussolini was a socialist, and, in fact, a delegate to the Second International. However, he came to combine socialism with nationalism, and a heavy dollop of Nietzschianism, which preposterously (given Nietzsche's hatred of socialism) was popular in socialist circles at the time. (Nietzsche hated nationalism too, by the way, and blamed the Germans for stopping Napoleon in his quest to unite Europe. He also hated anti- semitism, and denounced his sister for marrying a member of a proto- Nazi political sect). Anyway, originally the Fascisti were anti- clerical, but moderated that when they found that it hurt them electorally. They were also republican, until they discovered that loyalty to the king ran too strong to ignore, and dropped that plank from their platform. They drew adherents from both the Right and Left, and Mussolini insisted that Fascism represented a Third Way between Left and Right....... Hitler explicitly modelled himself on Mussolini, and his party on the Fascists. In fact, in their early relationship, Hitler was almost fawning. However, Hitler also added virulent anti- semitism to the stew, and a seething ambition to avenge Germany. Hitler drew largely on disgruntled veterans and members of paramilitary organizations, what may be considered the fringe nationalist Right, but he also had a number of supporters who migrated from the Left, and as the Nazis gained prominence, they began to draw working class support away from the Communists. The center/right for a long time refused to include Nazis in the government, but after the Nazis gained a plurality of seats in the Reichstag, they made the fateful decision to offer the chancellorship to Hitler, thinking they could control him. Instead, he ended by establishing a dictatorship...... There was a degree of cooperation between the Nazis and Communists in trying to discredit the Wiemar Republic, foreshadowing the Hitler- Stalin Pact, without which it is doubtful that Hitler would have invaded Poland. Josef Goebbels, who had migrated into the Nazi Party from the Left, shared his happiness at the Pact with his diary, affirming that the two great revolutionary parties of his time would now be able to enter into collaboration....... It should be noted that no conservative party as it is understood in the United States existed, and especially that there was no party representing substantial libertarian sentiments. Thus, even the Right was paternalistic, and hence, from a libertarian standpoint, statist.... Anyway, it is wrong to lay Nazism all on socialism, but it also wrong to suppose that socialism did not contribute to its development and progress. It is also a mistake to identify Nazism with the traditional Right, since it did represent a new, revolutionary movement........