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To: Rarebird who wrote (49516)2/23/2000 10:33:00 PM
From: IngotWeTrust  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116753
 
I would have to rely upon the experience of someone who knows their way around gov't regs, something I don't have. However, if contextual references from over-exposure to "News at 11" counts for anything, I think the differences between registering and not registering a political organization has something to do with the size of individual donations permitted to be received, and sizes of candidates or maybe even "causes" to which said donations can be disbursed. Beyond that, I don't have a clue.

O/49r



To: Rarebird who wrote (49516)2/23/2000 11:34:00 PM
From: d:oug  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116753
 
Rarebird, you and Hutch are having a fair amount of difficulty
in understanding the conception that resulted in the formation
of GATA, the Gold Anti Trust Action organization. I hope the
following information obtained from their web site helps.

Much has happened since the following information was released,
so I will seek out an more updated version for your reading. Doug

Gold Anti Trust Action (GATA) gata.org
Bill Murphy, Chairman

The Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee was organized in January 1999
as a Delaware corporation to advocate and undertake litigation against
illegal collusion to control the price and supply of certain financial
securities, particularly securities involving gold.

The committee arose from essays by Bill Murphy, a financial commentator,
and by Chris Powell, a newspaper editor in Connecticut, published at
Bill Murphy's Internet site, lemetropolecafe.com

Bill Murphy's essays reported evidence of collusion among financial
institutions to control the price of gold.

Chris Powell, whose newspaper had been involved in antitrust litigation,
replied with an essay proposing that gold interests should act on Murphy's
essays by bringing suit against the financial institutions involved in
the collusion against gold.

The response to these essays from gold interests throughout the world was
so favorable that the committee was formed. Murphy is chairman and Powell
is secretary/treasurer.

The committee is raising money and recruiting a law firm for the lawsuit
it advocates.

GATA also seeks to disclose and publicize the huge speculative short
positions in gold taken by financial institutions and bullion banks.

GATA believes that 10,000 tons of gold or more have been sold short
by these speculators, even as yearly mine supply of gold in 1998 was
only 2,529 tons. When, through our lawsuit, we are able to show how
short in gold even one major financial institution really is, other
institutions will buy gold in quantity, knowing the short position
in gold is too large to close without causing a substantial rise
in the price of gold.

Then the gold collusion game will be over.

Copyright (C) 1999 All rights reserved.



To: Rarebird who wrote (49516)2/24/2000 5:04:00 AM
From: d:oug  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116753
 
Hello everyone, Bill Murphy here, of the Gold Anti Trust Action organization.

Good evening, (Wednesday Feb 23)

I just had dinner with Marshall Auerback of David W. Tice & Associates
at a local Dallas, Texas hotspot. He is much fun.

A bit of background on Marshall. He graduated Magna Cum Laude from Queens
University in Kingston, Ontario and then went to Oxford University in England
to get his Law Degree. He now resides outside of London and has a beautiful
wife, whom I have met, and two rascal sons that are a precious handfull.

Marshall flew into Dallas on business to do with David Tice and leaves
Saturday for the Nesbitt Burns Gold Conference in Tampa, Florida.

I asked Marshall to give my "salute" to two of the class acts of
the gold industry. They are Geoff Stanley and Egizio Bianchini of
Nesbitt Burns. Tops in their arena and stand up guys.

One quick note for the night because I received so many emails today.

Yes, the "Cannibal" crowd came in right on cue at the designated time
this AM to knock down the gold market $3 before the opening
and Goldman Sachs knocked down gold $2 in the last 5 minutes
to finish off the orchestration of "gold stinks."

It is an outrage and it is DISGUSTING.

The good news is that the world "is getting it."

We document everything they do and feed it to Berger & Mongtague,
the finest anti-trust lawyers in the world.

Frank Veneroso spent two hours on the phone recently with Merrill Davidoff,
GATA's senior attorney, and was AWED by his photographic memory about the
markets for the past 20 years. Frank is not easily impressed. I could not
get him off the phone re: his talking about Merrill's brilliance.

GATA's associate attorney with Merrill is Jerome Marcus,
who was featured on the front page of the New York Times
as the "Brains" behind the Paula Jones case. Jerome was
the one who kept that legal case in gear for all those
years, acting unselfishly behind the scenes. So few in
the world know how proud GATA is to have such talented
and principled "Libertarians" on our truth seaking team.

All the best,

Bill Murphy
Chairman, Gold Anti Trust Action (GATA) gata.org



To: Rarebird who wrote (49516)2/27/2000 9:26:00 PM
From: d:oug  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 116753
 
Rarebird, this is a continuation of our discussion about GATA,
the Gold Anti Trust Action activity, that we have conflicting views on.

But first, ....

From: who started this subject (Abner Hosmer) May 27, 1997
The purpose of this thread is very simple:
To monitor/analyze those factors affecting the price of gold.....

As I posted last week, I received "From: SI Admin (Bob)" instructions
not be be inappropriately off-topic, and since noone posted any comment
to this information, I assume all who post on this thread agree with
this type of "turn of events" and support it. Which confuses me since
on this day of Sunday there has been many off topic posts of the topic
the quality of life in Canada verses USA. So are they and others of the
inappropriately off-topic catagory or not? To find out I did a follow up
reply to SI Admin (Bob) asking for clairification thru his reading the posts
of today, this Sunday. It might be helpful if the person who reported me to
SI Admin outline in full detail what is and is not allowed on this thread,
as that is the direction this thread has gone towards.

(for reference)

To: Doug A K
From: SI Admin (Bob)
I just removed a couple of your posts from the GPM thread.
In the future, please don't go inappropriately off-topic
or engage in any kind of personal attacks.... [end]

To now go on-topic, please review the following information
I have received from the Gold Anti Trust Action activity,
as for sure this will soon have not only the most, but an
extreme impact on the near furture price of gold. Thanks. Doug AK

[Start. Bill Murphy Chairman Gold Anti Trust Action (GATA)]

Hello everyone, Bill Murphy here.

February 27, a Sunday Morning in Dallas, Texas without wheels.

Does anyone else find it peculiar that the financial news media says
that 'Old Economy' stocks are setting back because of inflation fears
and that same media says gold is going down in price because there is
no inflation?

Does anyone else find it peculiar that in all in the same week:

- The gold market is trashed as its fundamentals improve by the day.

- The TOCOM changes its rules that forces longs out of the market
in Japan and on the NY MERC.

- The silver stocks on Comex rise sharply out of nowhere and now
stands at 91,229,221 ounces (up another 5 million ounces on Friday).

All one big COINCIDENCE, n'est ce pas?

For years now the manipulation crowd has been toying with the speculators.

- Get them long, and take them out with selling.
- Let them get short and then take them out with buying.

And in the end, capping the gold price around $290 - $295 per ounce.

It has happened once again.
Gold investors are demoralized ONCE AGAIN.
It is an emotional broken record.

When will it ever change?

Word to me by some pretty savvy folks is that bullion dealer crowd is
looking to buy and, in fact, is now doing so, taking what the specs will
give them on this sharp price break.

Our side, Gold Anti Trust Action (GATA), has been fighting some very
powerful forces that have orchestrated the gold market lower every time
it rallies because of sound supply/demand fundamentals. The fact that
the gold market is being manipulated becomes clearer by the day. So clear,
that it is gradually becoming easier for GATA to gather Congressional support
to launch an official investigation into this scandalous affair.

The collusion game ends when the bullion dealers are forced
to expose their "books." It may not seem so right now, but
the shorts are on a "short" leash and we feel they sense that.

My guess is that there is now so much talk about investors buying
tech stocks ONLY because they are going up that the big money crowd
is going to head for the exits for the short term - and very soon.

If some sort of panic does set in, what is Mr. Greenspan going to do?
Lower interest rates like he has done in the past?
He is supposed to be raising interest rates!

The short and long term rates have yinned and yanged versus each other
these past weeks. The Dow and NASDAQ have been yinning and yanging with
each other, too. THIS IS NOT GOOD, OR HEALTHY, for stock markets.

At some point, investors are going to realize that the financial asset play
of the nineties has come to an end for the time being and a hard money play
will emerge. It will explode when the investment world realizes that the gold
price has been artificially kept at too low a price by a certain faction of
U.S. "officialdom" and a few scoundrels in the bullion banking world.

Good day.

[End. Bill Murphy talks about GATA activity.]



To: Rarebird who wrote (49516)2/29/2000 11:47:00 PM
From: d:oug  Respond to of 116753
 
Rarebird, this is a continuation of our discussion about GATA.

Please review the following information I have received about GATA,
as for sure this will have an extreme impact on the near furture
price of gold. Thanks. Doug AK

February 29, 2000

Bill Murphy, Chairman Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc. has sent
a letter to Gregory Zuckerman, John Conner and Charles Casparino of
the Wall Street Journal, New York, New York. The essence of the letter
is as follows:

Dear Gregory, John and Charles,

It has come to my attention that you were besieged with emails
after the Editor-in-chief of the Gold-Eagle website, I. M Vronsky,
sent you an email congratulating you for your investigative reporting
of the T-Bill market. As I understand it, I. M. Vronsky suggested that
you also investigate the manipulation of the gold market. The followers
of his web site have urged you on, in support of that suggestion.

As Chairman of the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA),
I know a great deal about this subject and invite you to look
into what we believe will prove up to be one of the great financial
scandals in American history.

This is a complex situation and cannot be articulated with "sound-bite"
wording in a letter to you. However, I have one and one half year's worth
of documentation on the manipulation of the gold market and would be happy
to share my efforts should you be interested in pursuing this matter.

On March 29th I will be a guest speaker at the Spring Dinner Meeting
of the Committee for Monetary Research and Education in New York.
The name, and implied topic of my speech is "The Gold Market Mystery."
Also speaking at that dinner are Owen F. Humpage of the Federal Reserve
Bank of Cleveland, Tracy G. Herrrick, Chief Investment Strategist of
Jefferies & Company, Inc., James J. Leisenring, Vice Chairman, Financial
Accounting Standards Boards, Martin Mayer, prolific financial book author,
and Henry J. Reuss, former Chairman of the House Banking Committee.

The Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee has extended an invitation to selected
journalist to be our guests at that dinner so that they can become better
acquainted with the reasoning behind our claims.

In the meantime, there is much that can be accomplished if you have
the inclination. My colleague Chris Powell, GATA Treasurer/Secretary,
is sending you two articles from the British press for your perusal.
One was written by acclaimed Financial Times journalist, Barry Riley;
the other from The Economist.

From the Feb. 12 FT article: "The gold manipulation might well have
started out as a minor smoothing operation that got out of control."

From the February Economist article: "Until recently it has been easy
to dismiss them (gold bugs) as flat-earthers, clinging to outdated ideas.
Now, however, it is harder to explain why the gold price remains so low."

Chris Powell is also sending you the center spread open letter that GATA
placed in the Dec. 9 issue of Roll Call to Alan Greenspan and Lawrence
Summers. In that letter we requested that both gentlemen answer 11 specific
questions about possible gold market activity by the Fed and the Treasury.

Thus far, Alan Greenspan has responded to those questions
to Senator Lieberman, who made a similar request in GATA's behalf.
We have been told in writing by Senator Lieberman that the Treasury
would respond to us no later than February 22, but to date we have not
received that response.

GATA strongly believes that the gold market has been manipulated
the past couple of years by certain bullion banks - mostly headquartered
in New York - and a certain facet of U.S. officialdom.

There are many other Senators and Congressman that are also requesting
answers to GATA's questions from the Treasury in behalf of their outraged
constituents. Our next step is to formally request a full Congressional
inquiry, or investigation, into the gold market which we believe has greatly
benefited a number of New York financial institutions at the expense of
so many unsuspecting others.

If you think we are mad because our investments have gone poorly,
you are correct. We are upset because we have invested in a game
that was fraudulently rigged against us. In hindsight, we never had a chance.
In the meantime, the "in the know" crowd was borrowing gold at 1% gold lease
rates and investing those funds in all kinds of investments,
thereby making a fortune.

The gold market has been rigged in a clandestine manner for some time now.
If this was the athletic arena, the cry "foul" would be greater than that
of the "Chicago Black Sox" scandal of baseball lore.

Yes, we are mad as hell and we are not going to take it any more.
The Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee has been written up by financial press
all over the world. But, there has hardly been any mention of our existence
in the U.S press. When it comes to financial issues that take on the powerful
financial and political crowd, the United States appears to be not that much
different than the Chinese in suppressing controversial insights. Last June,
I had lunch in New York with all the wire services and one of your reporters,
and followed up that meeting by sending all of them voluminous information.
Not one will even acknowledge GATA's existence or the story we have to tell.
Alan Greenspan responds to us, but not the U.S. press. What gives?

I look forward to meeting you in New York at the Union Club if you can make
the CMRE (Committee for Monetary Research and Education) Dinner Meeting.

All the best,
Bill Murphy,
Chairman Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.(GATA)
gata.org

[End. Bill Murphy talks about GATA activity.]



To: Rarebird who wrote (49516)3/1/2000 5:12:00 AM
From: long-gone  Respond to of 116753
 
This should be a big help to the "information age" & e'commerce new paradigm valuations:








WEDNESDAY
MARCH 1
2000


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Clinton, governors
push Net tax
Utah's Leavitt: 'I stayed
across from the Lincoln Bedroom'

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By Julie Foster
¸ 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

After spending the night at the White House chatting with President Clinton about golf and writing letters on White House stationery, Utah's Republican Gov. Mike Leavitt toasted the president during a meeting with the National Governors Association in which Clinton voiced his agreement with taxing the Internet.
"I stayed across from the Lincoln Bedroom in the Queen's Bedroom," Leavitt said, according to the Deseret News. "I stayed up way too late wandering around looking at political memorabilia on the walls and visiting with other people who were there."

Those others included Clinton and saxophonist Kenny G, who performed Monday evening at a black-tie dinner Clinton hosted for the National Governors Association. Leavitt, North Carolina Gov. James B. Hunt and Kenny G also were invited to stay the night with their spouses before Monday's meetings.
Gov. Mike Leavitt, R-Utah


Leavitt said Clinton and Kenny G. swapped some stories about playing the saxophone, and he and Clinton talked golf.

"He showed me his collection of putters. We compared golf stories," Leavitt said. "I can't match his golf stories, nor can anyone else. After all, he is the president."

After the late-into-the-night chats, Leavitt said, "I found myself sitting in the room using up all the stationery (and writing), 'I don't want to waste this stationery, so I'm writing you a letter.'"

Leavitt added, "It was a very nice experience and one that I don't ever expect to have again."

Earlier in the evening, Leavitt also offered a toast at the dinner to Clinton on behalf of the governors.

"I raise my glass in this, the first meeting of the National Governors Association of the 21st Century with the hope, with the desire," Leavitt said, "that the prosperity of the last century will be with us for the next; with an expression of gratitude for your constant memory of your days as a governor; your kindness to us; and your willingness to always listen."

Leavitt and the National Governors Association believe prosperity will be continued only if states are allowed to tax e-commerce. The group discussed Internet taxation with Clinton at its annual meeting.

Clinton said Monday the federal government should not stop states from taxing sales on the Internet -- a position Leavitt advocates as chair of the Governors Association. The group sponsors a tax collection scheme known as "trusted third parties," enabling states to bring in sales tax revenue from e-commerce.

After Clinton made supportive statements in a closed-door meeting with the association, Leavitt was quick to announce it to the press.

"The president made very good points today. Number one, the national government should not be in the business of pre-empting the states' capacity to solve this (Internet sales tax) problem," Leavitt said.

"Second, a level playing field is ultimately the goal of good tax policy. And third, if the sales tax is not to be viable, the states need to begin to look at how they will deal with this dilemma," Leavitt said in the Deseret News account.
Gov. Jim Gilmore, R-Va.


Leavitt claims "about four out of five governors" support his position of "fairness," requiring Internet merchants to charge a sales tax on all sales made across state lines -- a policy the U.S. Supreme Court has deemed unconstitutional.

Leavitt's claim is far from accurate. Stateline.org asked each of the nation's 50 governors their position on Internet sales taxes. Only 15 agreed with the NGA's position. Eleven governors are dead set against e-commerce taxes, and 20 are undecided. Only four did not give a "yes," "no" or "undecided" answer.

Anti-tax governors, led by Virginia Gov. James S. Gilmore, want to avoid additional Internet sales taxes, saying that will slow what has been a rapidly growing industry creating many new jobs in their states.

California Gov. Gray Davis, who sides with Gilmore, acknowledged the fact that the Internet has made spectacular contributions to America's economic boom.

"I certainly don't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg," Davis said Monday.

Gilmore and Leavitt are both members of the congressionally-appointed Advisory Commission on Electronic Commerce, scheduled to have a final meeting on March 21 in Dallas before issuing its report to Congress on April 21.

"I think there is a chance it will be non-conclusive," Leavitt said.

The National Governors Association's leader expects the nation will experience a repeat of last year's record-setting increase in holiday shopping over the Internet. That increase, according to Leavitt, will create political pressure for an e-commerce tax since states will "lose" tax money that otherwise would have been collected by brick-and-mortar merchants.

"We will see the retail and business community storm Capitol Hill with one phrase on their lips: Level playing field. They'll say we just want a level playing field," Leavitt said.

He added that in the next two to five years, debate will show whether a sales tax will continue to be viable in the new economy, or if it will be replaced by higher property and income taxes.

Leavitt believes if Internet companies do not have to collect sales taxes, all companies will find loopholes to escape tax -- possibly by forming subsidiaries that would not have to collect Internet sales tax except in one or two states.

Leavitt claims slow progress on resolving the Internet taxation debate is hampering resolution (cont)
worldnetdaily.com



To: Rarebird who wrote (49516)3/1/2000 5:16:00 AM
From: long-gone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116753
 
btw, it wasn't just me that was concerned about the current Taiwan / China / USA situation, they were also speaking of it on National Public Radio, in the hushed tones of terror.

China Rattles Missiles at U.S.
NewsMax.com
Tuesday, February 29, 2000

Missiles will fly toward the U.S. if America comes to the defense of Taiwan in the event of an all-out war between the two Chinas, Beijing?s official military organ has warned.
American intervention in any military conflict between Beijing and Taiwan would result in "serious damage" to U.S. interests in Asia, the newspaper warned, adding that China would use long-range missiles against the United States.

China is neither Iraq nor Yugoslavia but a very special country," according to Liberation Army Daily, the official military newspaper.

China, the paper stated, "Is a country that has certain abilities of launching strategic counterattack and the capacity of launching a long-distance strike. The U.S. military will even be forced to [make] a complete withdrawal from the East Asian region, as they were forced to withdraw from southern Vietnam in those days."

Observers noted that the latest blast in the war of words over the Taiwan issue echoed a 1995 warning issued by Chinese Lt. Gen. Xiong Guangkai, the Chinese army?s top intelligence and foreign policy official, who said the United States would avoid intervening in a war between the two Chinas if it cared more about Los Angeles than it cared about Taiwan.

Despite the ominous tone (cont)
newsmax.com



To: Rarebird who wrote (49516)3/1/2000 9:41:00 PM
From: d:oug  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116753
 
Rarebird, this is a continuation of our discussion about GATA.

Please review the following information I have received about GATA,
as this will have an extreme impact on the near furture price of gold.

Thanks. Doug AK

March 1, 2000

The scandal grows.
Meaningless, these technicals.
Might as well get to what this gold market is really all about.

... that and gold was bopped at the end of the day by Chase Bank
and "gold carry trade" hedge fund, Moore Capital.

And, to make matters worse there were rumors on the Comex floor
during the session that there were PRODUCER BUY BACKS.

This just cannot be.

The blatant manipulation by a faction of the U.S. government
and certain bullion dealers becomes more apparent by the day.

Demand for gold around the world is at record levels,
many of the large gold producers are delivering into their forward sales
(which is reducing gold supply hitting the physical market)
and gold sales/lending has been restricted by the European central banks.

Yet, gold remains almost exactly at the same price
it has been for the past 3 years.

IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO RISE IN PRICE NO MATTER WHAT!!!

The cries for a Congressional investigation into the gold market
will begin to grow and grow and soon there will be one.

Silver acts like it wants to go right back up again. Word is that the
silver going into the Comex warehouses will go right out again after all
of it has arrived. The new total is 95,593,836 ounces, up 1.8 million
ounces today. Just more games being played in a precious metals market.

Saturday will be an interesting silver day as it is expected that Warren
Buffet will be required to disclose (as part of a general disclosure)
whether he still owns his silver or not.

One more bullet gone for the shorts:

AMSTERDAM, Feb 29 (Reuters) - The Dutch central bank said on Tuesday
it sold 5.5 tonnes of gold last week and will stop its sales programme
until at least September since it has achieved its 100-tonne target.

From a money manager who sent me this yesterday:

"There is no real reason for the dollar to be strong.
The trade deficit is at record levels,
we have the potential Huge Bubble,
and possible SETTLEMENT Problems in the banking system if things
get real crazy, which is a possibility, due to the Derivatives."

Another ancecdotal for you:

"I work in an industry that supplies the heavy trucking industry.
We have always said "you can see the state of the economy by sales
of trucks and accessories." We always lead the economy up or down
by a couple of months. I'm getting worried by what I'm hearing
about the slowdown in sales."

And then we have:

"The Aussie dollar has been hammered by some "investment funds"
(according to local analysts) in recent days. The last time this
happened the Reserved Bank of Aust. sold gold to defend the Aust$.
Also, at ~Aust$500/oz Aussie miners find it very attractive to hedge,
hence the recent increased forward selling activities by them.
Just coincidental ? you bet."

The Aussie dollar gets curioser and curioser. Today, it closed sharply
lower at 60.44. The Canadian dollar, on the other hand closed at 69.07,
up slightly and it is not too far from recent highs. Australia is a
commodity country, just like Canada is, and commodity prices are going up.

What is different about the two currencies is that Australia has gold
producers that have a tendency to hedge their gold production when given
an opening. A weak Aussie dollar means that gold is higher priced in their
local currency versus a dollar gold price. That gives them a greater
incentive to do some hedging. Wonder who is selling off the Aussie dollar
and why?

GATA is not the only one on the Bank of England's case:

Gold auctions to blame for $30m fall,
says Rio By Roland Gribben - London Telegraph

RIO Tinto yesterday added to the Government's discomfort over last year's
gold sales by criticising the auction process and estimating that the slide
in the precious metal price cost the company $30m. Sir Robert Wilson,
chairman, said: "We thought the sale was handled in a pretty clumsy way
and that wasn't necessary. Just to announce the sale obviously had a
depressing effect on the market."

He thought Gordon Brown, Chancellor, and the Bank of England should have
followed conventional central bank policy of selling the gold before making
any announcement to avoid the risk of a price fall. The gold price wobbled
as the Bank mounted three auctions as part of the Government programme
to reduce gold reserves from 715 tonnes to 415 tonnes over the next years.
End.

Potpourri and the Gold Shares

The XAU finished the day modestly higher at 60.93 up 1.17,
ignoring the late day gold sell off.

An anecdotal sign of the bottom in the gold market?:

Financial Times - Monday February 28, 2000

Australia's miners bet on the internet as the next gold rush

"In the past year, more than a third of Australia's 300-odd listed
junior gold producers and explorers have totally or partly transformed
themselves into internet, telecoms or other new technology stocks." End.

Another Hannibal Cannibal bites the dust:

Barclays Bank bullion dealer news: In addition to Tony Hill in their
London office, Martino Bolli got laid off last week in their NY office.

Bullion dealer woes accelerate:

Word just in that J.P. Morgan is thought to be closing down its bullion
operations in NY to concentrate all its bullion trading dealings in London.
That makes sense as the gold market manipulation scandal will be focused
on the NY operations of the bullion dealers. When Congress gets into the act,
the investigating committee members will want to chat with some of the high
and mighty NY bullion dealers. J.P. Morgan is co-chair of the Counterparty
Risk Management Group with Goldman Sachs. Could J.P Morgan's motto concerning
gold market risk be, "when in doubt, get out."

This is no small potatoes. J.P. Morgan is the central bank's bank
and has been the top dog bullion bank for 100 years. If they close
down their bullion trading operations in New York, it would make them
a second tier bullion bank - a major event in the bullion banking world.

There is also talk that the derivative book of bullion dealer,
Credit Suisse, is in bad shape, especially their Australian derivatives.

For months now I have suggested that the gold market could explode
to the upside when the bullion dealers sound the bugle for retreat.
Not just because not even a fraction of the gold loans can be covered,
but because of derivative problems in many other financial markets.
The pace of the day of reckoning grows by the week as the downsizing
of bullion dealer operations escalates.

This has be very very good news for our camp. The less bullion dealer
operations there are, the less peddlers there will be of gold forward
sell programs to the gold producers and the less bearish propaganda
will be fed to the press.

Another comforting Barrick Gold story:

Friday, February 25, 2000
Lawyers look to bring Barrick into amended Bre-X suit

Texas class action:
Barrick has yet to file a response to latest allegations
Sandra Rubin
Financial Post

Lawyers representing shareholders caught in the Bre-X Minerals Ltd.
gold swindle are asking a Texas judge to consider new evidence that
Barrick Gold Corp. was alerted to the possibility of fraud months
before the scandal rocked North American markets.

Toronto-based Barrick not only failed to disclose the disturbing findings
by one of its own experts, but company officials made "misleading" public
statements about Bre-X that did not reflect doubts about the find's voracity,
according to the filing in Texarkana, Tx.

The class-action lawyers are asking a U.S. federal court judge for permission
to amend their complaint to add the new allegations. The filing comes as both
sides await a key ruling on whether Barrick, which was among those dismissed
from the Bre-X suit last year, will be reinstated as a defendant.

The fresh evidence is based on the findings of Jan Merks, a sampling expert
employed by Barrick on Dec. 16, 1996, to analyze troubling Bre-X test results.
Barrick had sent 135 samples from what was supposedly the richest gold find
in the world and 133 had come back showing no gold.

Mr. Merks was given the results on Dec. 17 -- and within hours had warned
Barrick in a memo that "extreme caution is in order," as reported in the
Financial Post in January. He also mentioned a previous gold fraud and
suggested they test for the same telltale signs.

"Barrick knew this crucial information for almost five months while
tens of thousands of shares of Bre-X ... continued to trade on the Nasdaq
and elsewhere," according to the filing. "Despite this knowledge, Barrick
made unqualified public statements about gold and future mines at Busang,
statements which were false, or at best misleading to investors.

"Not once did Barrick even hint at the troubling evidence of fraud
that it and its consultants had discovered," the filing said. End.

Many of you have asked how Martin Armstrong is doing.

Don't really know.

He tried to call GATA's Chris Powell and I a couple of times,
but we were out.

Here is a recent story about him.
It is clear that Martin Armstrong is still really being harassed:

Lawyers quit Armstrong case

02/26/00
By TONY HAGEN
Staff Writer

NEW YORK -- Martin A. Armstrong, a one-time commodities guru accused
of running a $1 billion bond swindle from West Windsor, N.J., offices,
yesterday said he will represent himself against civil charges.

The bond dealer, who headed Princeton Economics International
and Princeton Global Management at Carnegie Center, has been dropped
by the criminal defense lawyers he retained at the time of his arrest
in September, and his civil defense lawyer is attempting to be released
from the case.

Armstrong doesn't have money to pay them and a federal judge has ordered the
lawyers to surrender $1.3 million in retainers they were paid in September.

A Maple Shade, N.J., resident, Armstrong has pleaded innocent to charges
he concealed up to $450 million in trading losses by causing false account
statements to be issued to companies who bought his "Princeton Note" bonds.

He has said the losses were exaggerated and he is being made a scapegoat
for offenses committed by others.

Armstrong yesterday asked U.S. District Court Judge Lawrence McKenna
to help him get permission to have a laptop computer in his jail cell
so he could do case research.

He was jailed at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City
last month after U.S. District Court Richard Owen found him in contempt
of an order to turn over $16 million in allegedly missing company valuables
and documents. Armstrong said he turned over everything in his possession.

YESTERDAY, HE also asked McKenna to help get the court-appointed receiver
in the case, Alan M.Cohen, to produce a list of items the trader allegedly
still has. Armstrong said his goal is to prove that he doesn't have the items
and get himself released from jail.

On the criminal charges of securities fraud, Armstrong faces a maximum
jail term of 10 years and fines.

Yesterday, Martin Siegel, a lawyer appointed to represent Armstrong against
the criminal charges, said he expected the case would not come to trial until
the fall or early winter of 2000 "at the earliest," due to a "massive" amount
of research needed.

Armstrong and representatives of the U.S. Attorney's Office, which lodged
the criminal charges, were ordered to return to McKenna's chambers on
April 14 to give an update on their progress in preparing for trial.

Yesterday, an attorney for the U.S. Attorney's Office objected to Armstrong's
request for a computer, saying he could do research simply by reading paper
documents. But McKenna said he saw no security risk.

"You're talking about a laptop computer, not something hooked up
to the phone lines," McKenna said. End.

The palladium/TOCOM disaster continues. The NYMEX raised customer margins
to $50,625 as of tonite's close. Japan Inc. has really boneheaded this one
by freezing palladium contracts until March 15. No one put a gun to the head
of the shorts to stay short. They had months of time to get out of this well
advertised explosive PM situation. The effects of this shortsighted action
will be felt for some time to come and could become a precedent for other
exchanges to do the same thing down the road.

Free markets have been seriously threatened. Is that what Comex is going
to do when the gold price takes off in a moonshot. AND IT WILL!!!!!!

The oil/gold ratio is all the way down to 9.3. When markets were not rigged
or fundamentals mattered, this ratio would have represented a screaming gold
buy signal. I once did some gold business with an Afghanistan cashmere
merchant. This legendary trader from Afghanistan told me that if the
gold/oil ratio ever goes under 11, gold is the buy of a lifetime.

I would agree with him, even today.

All the best,
Bill Murphy,
Chairman Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.(GATA)
gata.org

[End. Bill Murphy talks about GATA activity.]



To: Rarebird who wrote (49516)3/3/2000 11:44:00 PM
From: d:oug  Respond to of 116753
 
Rarebird, this is a continuation of our discussion about GATA.

Please review the following information I have received about GATA.

Thanks. Doug AK

[Bill Murphy, Chairman Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.(GATA)]

Hello everyone, Bill Murphy here.

March 3, 2000

The price of spot gold closed lower yesterday in New York
for the seventh day in a row.

That is the first time that has happened in 26 years.

The manipulation crowd has done their job well.

They certainly have had enough practice.

Goldman Sachs has turned a modest buyer as the specs are puking up gold
left, right and center. The same pattern we have seen so many times over
the past years.

It is very hard to know what is going on here.

Do the shorts know that someone is going to stand for delivery
and they do not want the silver stocks to get too low in the US
and attract additional speculative interest?

Does it have anything to do with a possible Warren Buffet
silver announcement tomorrow? You got me.

Legendary Harry Schultz always has something of interest to say.

His article will appear in a forthcoming issue of the International
Harry Schultz Letter.

Harry understood what was really going on in the gold market almost before
anyone else. Harry has been a big GATA supporter, and that has been very
much appreciated by Chris Powell and I.

No surprise here:

LONDON, March 3 (Reuters) - The UK Treasury said on Friday it would
press ahead with plans to more than halve the country's gold holdings
to 300 tonnes, announcing the sale of 150 tonnes in six auctions this
year and next.

This second set of 25-tonne auctions will start in May and continues
Britain's programme to restructure and modernise its reserve holdings
with purchases of foreign currency. End.

It is my feeling that somehow, someway the UK Treasury and the US Treasury
are working closely together on the manipulation of the gold market!

GATA has still not heard from US Treasury Secretary Summers. The Treasury
told Senator Lieberman they were reviewing their answer to us.

What is there to review and how many ways is there to say it?

Rumors had it for days, now its official: JP Morgan closed down
their precious metals trading in New York, leaving only 2 sales people
to handle affairs. All bullion trading will be handled out of London.

These bullion operations are being whittled down everywhere.

Carr Futures closed down their upstairs precious metals office
and only does futures on the floor now.

Potpourri and the Gold Shares

Stinky, stinky that XAU. It closed down again.

Hannibal Cannibal news:

Deutsche Bank reprimanded By Gillian Tett in Tokyo - 2 Mar 2000 01:00GMT

The Japanese regulators on Wednesday reprimanded Deutsche Bank,
the German banking group, for alleged shortcomings in the compliance
and business standards of some of its Tokyo operations.

The reprimand follows a six-month inspection into Deutsche Bank's
operations by the Financial Supervisory Agency, the main banking watchdog,
which is trying to demonstrate it can improve standards in Tokyo markets.

The FSA has not formally commented on this inspection. However, a central
focus of the probe was whether Deutsche Bank companies had helped Japanese
clients to engage in so called "accounting driven" transactions. These are
transactions which allow companies to conceal losses by exploiting loopholes
in Japan's accounting system, through a broad range of financial trades. End.

This is what Martin Armstrong was thrown in jail for, without even a trial.

Why are not some Deutsche Bank execs in the same cell?

Bob Bishop of the Gold Mining Stock Report has made a stellar name
for himself over the years by discovering natural resource companies
and getting his followers behind them before their share prices took off.

Like Harry Schultz, Bob was very quick to recognize that "something is
rotten in the State of Denmark" as far as the gold market is concerned.

His support for GATA has also been very much appreciated by Chris Powell
and myself.

Bob travels a great deal, visiting companies, attending gold shows such
as the recent one in South Africa, etc. I thought you might like to read
a portion of what he has to say in his most recent Fax-Alert:

"Several years ago in the middle of the night I sat bolt upright in a
Boston hotel room, unable to sleep because I'd just had a five-hour
dinner with Dr. Chris Jennings. Those who know him can attest that Chris
is an enthusiast, but it was much more than that which caused me to sit
up in the middle of the night. More like an epiphany than anything else
I've had, I believed that Canada would in fact have a diamond mine?and
that the rest of the marketplace would arrive at the same conclusion
over the next 12-24 months. From having read Frank Veneroso's Gold Book
Annual and spent a fair bit of time with him over the past year, I think
Frank Veneroso's conclusions about the gold market are every bit as
significant. A year ago, The Economist and, frankly, a wide segment of
the market was divided on Veneroso's conclusions about the gold market.
Today, he is viewed not only as credible, but in my view, is only in the
earliest stages of being proven right. Last year's crackpot theories
have become the widely accepted wisdom of the gold market, but only
fractionally on the scale they are likely to be judged by a year from now.

"Earlier I said that the nature of audiences is that they tend to grow
(or shrink, depending on whether a market is headed up or down).
A related observation that I'd like to make is that the nature of major
news stories is that they evolve. Watergate began as a third-rate
burglary, then became a campaign finance violation, before leading to a
whole series of events that were inconceivable in advance of them
occurring and quickly became yesterday's news over the course of the
story's evolution. More recently, do you remember the first inkling of
the Monica Lewinsky story, I believe, from the Internet's Drudge Report.
Look where that story went over the next 12 months. So inconceivable
then, but now just old news. I submit to you that the gold market story
that has evolved a great deal over the past 12 months is going to change
radically in the next 12 months. In England investigations are underway
and GATA appears to be developing a constituency in the U.S. Congress.
I think there will be investigations and that the fast shrinking bullion
banking fraternity will be subjected to growing distress in the year
2000. I think that the Ashanti and Cambior fiascos have already
demonstrated the willingness of this crowd to engage in transactions
that compromised the very existence of some of their clients. In a
declining gold market, this crowd had created a license to print money.
In a rising gold market, which some of their models apparently never
contemplated, large short positions represent a trap from which no collection
of exotic derivatives can extricate those holding these short positions.

"As I've said several times in recent months, the gold carry trade may
be over, but it is not yet unwound. The imbalance in the gold market
that was created over a period of several years, and it cannot be
unwound due to a few short months of adversity. One by one, gold mining
companies are taking steps to remove hedges, and reconfigure their
exposure to the changed conditions in the gold market. (Old friend Ian
McAvity notes that even Barrick has gotten into the act: Dragged
kicking and screaming and protesting is not industry leadership. Barrick
is almost unique in that it acts as though it's not sure whether it's a
mining company or a derivative hedge fund. While the miners are getting
out of the way of the market, apart from increasingly flagrant
manipulation of the gold market, there is little evidence that the
rocket science community have taken many steps to get on the right side
of the gold market. If they had done so, the price of gold would already
be much higher."

[End.]

With the general market so strong and the gold shares slumbering, it is only
natural to feel like we have been left at the investment station. What I have
to say about our "station" is not a pep talk - it is a reality check.

The more that our camp delves into the manipulation, the bigger it becomes.

The numbers are getting bigger. That means the eventual price gold price rise
is going to be that much greater. The shorts really do have a major problem
that cannot be solved except by letting the gold price rise dramatically.

You have heard that before, I know.

But, what is becoming more evident to the GATA camp is that we are going
to get our day in the United States Congress and a chance to prove our case
- there will be an investigation into the gold market.

And, if all goes well, we will be able to assist James Turk get his
independent audit of the Fort Knox gold - which is WAY overdue.

My guess is that the inquiry will begin in sub-committee, but as soon as
they know what we know it will catapult into a full fledged investigation.

By then, the shorts will be starting their panic and the gold price will
be ascending skyward to much higher price levels. That will make all of us
happy campers and "our train ride" a joyous one worth waiting for.

All the best, Bill Murphy
Chairman Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.(GATA)

gata.org

[End. Bill Murphy talks about GATA activity.]



To: Rarebird who wrote (49516)3/7/2000 11:18:00 PM
From: d:oug  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116753
 
Rarebird, our discussion about GATA has been one sided lately,
so please review the following information I have received about GATA,
as for sure you will need this to make correct decisions about the
near furture price of gold. Thanks. Doug AK

[Bill Murphy, Chairman Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.(GATA)]

Hello everyone, Bill Murphy here.

March 7, 2000

Fundamentals

The "There Is No Inflation" lives on - at least that slogan did until
the Proctor and Gamble announcement this morning. Meanwhile, the CRB
closed today at 215.61 up 1.12, a new high for the move.

The CNBC talking heads and many in the financial community seem taken
aback by the continuing run up in the price of oil. GATA was not, as we
have been articulating this scenario for some time now.

The Arabs must be chuckling with laughter behind the scenes at our
pathetic groveling. I would think they would be buying gold in a
substantial way in the near future and are probably delighted that
the West is throwing this valuable asset away at such ridiculously
low prices. They certainly will have the money to knock on gold's
door and it will be a great hedge for them when the over valued
dollar takes a swan dive.

As a result of the falling Aussie dollar, Australian miner Delta Gold
sold forward 560,000 ounces of gold in February at an average price
of A$492. This brings their total hedging exposure over the next
10 years to 2 million ounces or some 49% of their mineable reserves.

Let us mark down Delta Gold and revisit them when gold is $500 bid
and see how they are faring and what is the disposition of their
shareholders towards management at that time.

Gold stocks are suffering the same fate as other value plays.

Nobody wants them.

The public wants high tech and money is flying out of the hands
of portfolio mangers that want to buy the gold shares.

But that which goes up will someday fall down, and as nature needs
things to be in balance the force of the high tech lead balloon
hitting the ground will crash into the bounds holding the price
of gold to snap and propel upwards gold as if it's weight is that
of a feather in a hot as in HEAT upwards air raising to the sky.
And yes, some day what goes up will come down as the ever present
battle between good verses evil continues, but then it will be the
responsibility of the next generation as GATA II will call forth
new and young and full of energy troops to do as their forebears
done in the past.

Imagine, a William Murphy VIII walking the talk...The sky is falling!...

As I have to prepare for my speaking engagement on Friday at the Alaskan
Miners Association Convention in Fairbanks, Alaska, I wrote up "the sky
is falling" part of this commentary last night. Today, the sky fell in
for Proctor and Gamble as that stock opened up some 30 points lower
after they presented Wall Street with an earnings warning.

Good old reliable Proctor and Gamble. Now, if that tried and true
company can open over 30% lower (overnite) on an earnings warning,
what could the share price of a company do on an opening that has
no earnings at all.

Yikes. The day is coming when an Amazon.bomb type internet company
opens 80% lower, not 30%, on bad news and that will set off a Nasdaq panic.

The momentum players will most likely all want to get out of their obscenely
overpriced tech stocks all at once - and there just may be NO BIDS!!!

Meanwhile, "the sky certainly is falling" for many shareholder owners
of corporations that require rising earnings in the future for their
share prices to advance.

That is what GATA has been saying for some time when it comes
to the stock market. And that is what started to happen to many
of the mainstream stocks. Of course, the Nasdaq crowd would call
us "Chicken Little" as that index continues to set new records
and has almost doubled now in the past 5 months.

I'am just waiting for a mainstream press to report the following:

gata nuts - "Taste Like Chicken"

Most everyone in the markets has their own thoughts on such "crowings",
but for me it is now, or right around the corner, that
THE SKY IS FALLING OR WILL FALL!!!
and what falls will not "Taste Like Chicken".

Those of us that have experienced market collapses knows how greed
can turn into fear overnight. Many of the money managers today have
no concept of REAL MARKET FEAR or The GET ME OUT trade.

When it does we will start hearing about gold
- just buy it will be the cry of the investor!

I have long felt that the price of gold might explode due to a banking
panic of sorts in which loans were called in or curtailed in all sectors
of the economy. Because the gold loans are outrageously large at 10,000
tonnes or more and mine supply of gold this year will only be around
2550 tonnes, it could cause chaos when the bullion banks try and get
their gold back.

This will happen, just a matter of time and leaves me calling out
"the sky will fall" to the gold shorts.

This is what long time mega bear London gold analyst, Ted Arnold, had to
say last October 11 with gold trading at a mere $324 per ounce.

"Central banks are selling gold in order to prevent a further sharp rise
in prices from causing a major financial crisis?.

"Central banks, according to our sources, have acted swiftly to prevent
a repeat of an LTCM-type of crisis by making sure that gold prices remain
in a tight range. Enough selling is done by agents of the monetary
authorities involved to cap gold.

"Central bank regulation of the bullion market always seems very far
fetched to most observers, but it is a cheap option compared with the
potential cost of bailing out banks and generally injecting liquidity
into an economy if there were a full-blown crisis, he said." End

Risky debt 'may cause trouble for US banks' -Financial Times
By Daniel Bogler and Gary Silverman

"US companies and consumers have built up record levels of risky debt
that could threaten bank's financial health if the economy slows,
warns McKinsey the financial consultant.

Wolfgang Hammes, a senior manager in McKinsey's banking practice, said;

"There is a substantial amount of hidden credit risk at US financial
institutions that could potentially lead to serious loan losses.
Most banks' risk management systems are not sufficient to identify
and quantify these risks."

Mr. Hammes, who has been examining debt levels in recent months,
points out that, in spite of a nine-year economic boom, US consumers
and companies are more indebted than ever. The borrowings of the average
US household now exceed a year's disposable income, according to Federal
Reserve figures.

The consultancy is even more concerned at the rapid growth of riskier
types of credit on bank balance sheets. End

I suggest to you that there are reasons that many bullion operations,
such as that of JP Morgan, are downsizing. They have to know the size of
the gold loans and that they cannot be covered in a short period of time
if need be during a crisis.

Just today I received word that the liquidity in the over the counter
gold market (where most of the action occurs) is already down to 50%
of what it was 2 and three years ago. The retreat by many of the bullion
dealers is starting to take its toll in many regards. When the gold
buying panic kicks in, there just won't be enough gold to go around and
satisfy the buyers. We have a "SKY SCRAPER" gold move coming.

When that day comes, "Chicken Little" will look like a guru while the
gold shorts try and explain their way out of gross miscalculations.

From Jonathon Rosenthal's business column in South Africa:

Safe as Fort Knox' called into question

"The United States government's gold stockpile at Fort Knox was safely
tucked away with all of the 147,3 million ounces in the cavernous vaults
accounted for, the US treasury said recently.

"But a footnote to the treasury's report implied that no one had actually
gone down to the vaults to check.

"The questions over whether the US gold stockpile was safe and sound began
with a letter from James Turk, a prominent gold market commentator, to the
Treasury asking when the last proper audit of the gold stock in Fort Knox
had been done.

"Turk said he believed the last audit had taken place under the Eisenhower
administration in the 1950s."End

Some closing thoughts. The precious metals rarely rally sharply on the
day of news that we all would construe as bullish. Today's blip with oil
over $34 per barrel is a good example. That is because of its recent
action over the past decade and because of the manipulation. However,
it should rally when investing institutions gather after a market day
like this one and decide either to buy gold or cover shorts. That is why
I am expecting a significant delayed reaction to this recent sharp move up
in the oil price.

Portfolio managers know why P&G went tankola this morning.
No statistical games.
Just facts coming to light.

The Proctor and Gamble earnings warning is not to be taken lightly.
As I understand it, they came out with this warning due to climbing
commodity prices that are used to make their products - thus, profit
margins will be squeezed. If that is the case for them, it has to be
the case for many corporations. There surely is inflation in the real
world and DENIAL of that reality will not cut it any more.

North to Alaska!

Heading out early Thursday morning. I have that old Johnny Horton tune
popping up in my head all the time now.

"WAY UP NORTH" - just what the price of gold is going to do!

As a result of the news of the "routine" investigation into the Bank
of England gold sale, I thought I should give you some idea of what
GATA is up to.

First, congratulations to the GATA's operatives in England that have
been so instrumental in shaking things up over there and waking up the
English press and British government. Something was rotten in the State
of Denmark; something is rotten in the English Treasury.

*Chris Powell will be meeting in Connecticut with the Staff Director
for Senator Lieberman very soon. Chris sent me the following today after
speaking with another Senator Lieberman staffer, "He said he understood
that the Treasury was dealing with MANY requests for answers along these
lines that were prompted by "your organization." But he had no sense of
why the Treasury was so slow to respond."

This means that the Treasury is dealing with many requests for answers
from Senators and Congressman as a result of the GATA army out there.

My schedule:

*North on Thursday to the Alaskan Miners Association - hopefully to
round up support in that mining conscious state and to make some
connections to meet with the state's politicos in Washington.

*Late March - off to New York to speak at the Spring Dinner Meeting of
Committee on Research and Education - to spread the word and meet some
New York press.

*Mid April off to Washington with Chris Powell to meet with various
leaders of the Republican Party such as Phil Gramm, Chairman of the
Senate Banking Committee, Denny Hastert, Speaker of the House,
Tom DeLay, House Majority Whip and Dick Armey, House Majority Leader.
Other Congressman are being contacted. We may not meet with all of them,
but GATA supporters are lining things up. Sincere interest has been
expressed to meet with an entire GATA delegation. We will ask that there
be a Congressional investigation into the gold market and will lay out
an exact agenda of what they need to do to: just find out THE TRUTH.

*Also in mid April - off to Las Vegas to meet with Senator Bryan,
Democrat from Nevada. Senator Bryan has expressed interest in hearing
what we have to say and his staff called another GATA supporter today
in Nevada who has been working diligently to set this meeting up.

*June - off to Paris to the Financial Times Gold Conference - to tell
our tale to all the high and mighty there that have an open mind.

Alaska, Connecticut, New York, Washington, Las Vegas, Paris
- why not Iceland, Mongolia, Inner Mongolia and Outer Space.

GATA is an army not so differently composed as that of Spartacus.

If Spartacus had the internet in his day, his revolt might have succeeded.

Like ours will.

Our adversaries might laugh and tell us we will end up like Spartacus
and that our Don Quixote like "tilting at windmills" is sheer fantasy
that will not win the day.

My retort to them is: THIS IS A BRAND NEW DAY.

That is what they keep telling us anyway, is that not so?

As the Star Trek man with the funny ears did not say,
"Long Live The Enveloping Horn."

All the best,
Bill Murphy,
Chairman Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.(GATA)
gata.org

[End. Bill Murphy talks about GATA activity.]