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To: long-gone who wrote (49593)	2/24/2000 3:51:00 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116764

dismantling Echelon... Richard, Forget it... it's a non-issue. They would love to have us take the system down, except for the fact that we oftentimes share the intelligence we gather with various European intelligence agencies. Besides, it is WIDELY KNOWN by those who practice the "black arts" of intelligence gathering, that it has been the French, who have been particularly guilty of economic espionage. You see, the French have NO law that prohibits them from undertaking corporate espionage, since Airbus is a govt entity. And you'll find most other nations aren't shy about using their govt SIGINT and HUMINT assets to collect corporate against US companies. The problem is that we have a law that states that our agencies can't collect intelligence for US companies, nor share it. Now that doesn't mean it doesn't happen because it could easily be a rogue operation by a govt employee. But to take such a chance and be found out is probably not a risk they are willing to accept there at Ft. Meade. Why else do you think that NSA is the largest, but the quietest agency in the US govt? Regards, Ron

To: long-gone who wrote (49593)	2/24/2000 5:15:00 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 116764

Richard, I did a quick internet search for some of the links I used to peruse on economic espionage. Here a few links that I came up with: infowar.com loyola.edu nsi.org So again.. two point to make here. The first is that the US is the biggest target for corporate espionage. The second is that, while we technically have laws in place preventing US spy agencies from engaging in corporate espionage, foreign spy agencies, for the most part, do not. Especially France. Regards, Ron