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To: greenspirit who wrote (12795)	2/27/2000 5:55:00 PM
From: themadsnooker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Michael D. Cummings, damned good post!! Way to go, big guy!!! You said: <<<And the contrasting argument would go something like this. If it's the right of the mother to kill a fetus because it really isn't life. Is it also the right of the mother to perform experimental surgery on the fetus. Like removing the brain, an arm or leg, just for scientific discoveries? After all, what is worse, death or disfigurement?These are the questions very few pro-abortion people will answer also. Michael>>>> Hell of a question! Now, please answer my question: Should all women who have abortions, and the doctors and nurses who assist them, be sentenced to death? Please, grow some balls, nutcases.

To: greenspirit who wrote (12795)	2/27/2000 10:06:00 PM
From: Brian P.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

This whole jeremiad re abortion is irrelevant since McCain and Bush are virtually identical on the issue, so I hate to even encourage this fanatical imbroglio, but, see: << Golding is a supporter of abortion rights, a position that is at odds with that of McCain. When reporters raised the issue at a news conference, MCain said he was "proud of my pro-life position" but added that Californians should also know he is "leading a dialogue" aimed at securing agreement between opposing sides in the abortion controversy on measures to ease adoption, improve foster care and end certain types of late-term abortion.>> I get the sense McCain is (1) not a fanatic but rather a sane and humane moderate with a decent sense of the ambiguities in life, a "uniter not a divider", and (2) that he can LEAD on the subject. As for myself, I think a crucial distinction is lost in this whole debate, that has to do with the place of private moral judgement in the political and judicial life of the nation: It is one thing to think abortion in all cases is wrong. That is, essentially, a justifiable, sincere religious judgement about a fiendishly difficult (in some cases--see below) moral situation. I respect that entirely. It is quite another thing to insist that the secular STATE criminalize ALL abortions and FORCE that judgement upon its citizens. (Why do all these died-in-the-wool libertarians take leave of their senses when it comes to this liberty issue?) I have in mind this particular scenario: I do not want to live in a United States of America in which the STATE can FORCE a woman who has been forcibly raped to carry that pregnancy to term. That should not ever happen in the United States of America.