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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Fangorn who wrote (14188)3/6/2000 10:57:00 AM
From: E  Respond to of 769667
 
Whom do you think his anti-McCain phonecalls were intended to benefit?

I have proposed no conspiracy.

My next posts will be my former ones pasted, so you can see that no conspiracy is involved. Only business as usual.

Here is the first. It's tiring to keep saying things and having them ignored, and other things substituted, so I am just going, when I've already made a point, to paste the posts relevant to it.
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If Bush made certain commitments to Pat Robertson, commitments
regarding judicial appointments, a choice of a vice presidential
candidate, or other issues with profound implications to our
democracy -- and it is reasonable to assume that to get Robertson's
support, he did make certain agreements -- it is not Robertson whose
ox will be Gored, so to speak, by revealing them, it is Bush's.

As you well know.

You do not for a minute believe that it is "honor" that prevents Bush
from revealing what he promised Robertson in that meeting.

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is
about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages
women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice
witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians." -- Pat
Robertson, fundraising letter, 1992

George made promises to this dangerous, lunatic fringe liar and
charlatan, and he won't tell the voters what they are. The voters are
to learn only after the election. And your transparently disingenuous
claim is that the secrecy of the deal Bush made for Robertson's
support in getting elected is a mark of honor.

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"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get
married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your
husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is
the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."--Pat
Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/8/92

"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were
Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things
seem to go together."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/21/93

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the
Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this,
that and the other thing. Nonsense! I don't have to be nice to the
spirit of the Antichrist."-- Pat Robertson, January
14, 1991.



To: Fangorn who wrote (14188)3/6/2000 11:02:00 AM
From: E  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
Another:

On an adjacent subject, it appears to suit you to claim I am a
conspiracy theorist. I see no conspiracy, and have offered no theories
about one. I see a deal, one of which the detail is being kept secret,
which is business as usual, in politics, a fact known by all but Neocon.
What I have done is to list some of Pat Robertson's public statements
to indicate why I think he is not only a charlatan, but vicious, bigoted,
paranoid, and a danger to our democracy; and then go on to object to
Bush's having refused to tell the voting public what transpired
between him and Pat Robertson that resulted in Robertson's
endorsement of him. It isn't a "conspiracy," it is merely a machiavellian
deal-with-the-devil (an expression only; I don't believe in Satan) kept
secret from the electorate because it would cost votes to openly
reveal the quid pro quo (and anybody so clueless they think there
wasn't one should get out more), brushing off concerned inquiries with
the risible excuse Neocon proffered here with wide eyes.

I have never before been called a "conspiracy theorist." I have
outlined no conspiracy here. I have merely objected to a
deal-for-votes made behind closed doors and kept, er, "confidential,"
by your boy W with the man who has made the following statements,
among many others:

"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get
married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your
husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is
the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."

"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were
Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things
seem to go together."

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the
Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this,
that and the other thing. Nonsense! I don't have to be nice to the
spirit of the Antichrist."

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is
about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages
women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice
witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."

"NOW is saying that in order to be a woman, you've got to be a
lesbian."

"We have enough votes to run this country...and
when the people say, 'We've had enough,' we're going to take
over!"

"The termites are in charge now, and
that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a
godly fumigation."

"How can there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers,
communists, atheists, New Age worshipers of Satan, secular
humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy money changers,
revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on
top?"

"There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the
Constitution. It is a lie of the Left and we are not going to take it
anymore."

"I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your
children to dress up as witches? The Druids used to dress up
like this when they were doing human sacrifice... [Your children]
are acting out Satanic rituals and participating in it, and don't
even realize it."

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor
should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

Oh, no wait! I made a mistake! That last one was said not by W's
supporter Pat Robertson, but by his Dad, George Sr.

I am certainly forced to agree wholeheartedly with W about one thing,
at least. He said, and I quote, "There is madmen in the world, and
there are terror."



To: Fangorn who wrote (14188)3/6/2000 11:04:00 AM
From: E  Respond to of 769667
 
More addressing your "conspiracy theory" accusation:

But I want to know what W promised the dangerous individual who has
become personally rich beyond imagining by tricking the old and sick
and gullible out of their pennies and dollars and forging friendships
with such sordid figures as Mobutu Sese Seko, the murdering,
torturing dictator of Zaire whose people lived in desperate, desperate
poverty while he became one the richest men on earth and a personal
pal of Robertson, who tried hard to get the State Department to admit
the sadist Butcher of Zaire into the United States. (There was this
diamond mine, you see....)

Oh, and there was Frederick Chiluba, another friend of Robertson.
Maybe this item on Robertson's relationship with Chiluba will indicate
something of why I believe Robertson is dangerous to democracy, and
Bush's deal for his support of legitimate concern:

"The President of
Zambia since 1991, Chiluba declared that Zambia would henceforth be
a Christian
nation. The public school system became Christian-only, despite the
existence of
a sizable minority of Muslims and Hindus in the country. In response to
their need
for education, Chiluba simply suggested that they open up their own
schools. The
national TV and radio stations also turned to all Christian programming.
Robertson did an interview with Chiluba on the 700 Club in 1995,
telling him "Your
country is not only the standard for Africa but for the rest of the
world."
Afterward, he asked his audience 'Wouldn't you love to have someone
like that
as President of the United States of America?'"

This unamerican bizarro thinks Bush will make a good president. Bush
and he had a nice long meeting. Bush has refused to tell anyone what
happened there. Well, it was "confidential," you see. Robertson came
out of the meeting satisfied. If Bush revealed what transpired that
convinced Robertson to support him (big bucks, many votes there), it
would cost him votes and campaign contributions, it's as simple as that.
This is not brain surgery.



To: Fangorn who wrote (14188)3/6/2000 11:09:00 AM
From: E  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769667
 
More on the guy who's making anti-McCain phonecalls in support of (*scratching my head in puzzlement*) somebody or other:

"We have enough votes to run this country...and
when the people say, 'We've had enough,' we're going to take
over!"


"The termites are in charge now, and
that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a
godly fumigation."


"You say you're supposed to be nice to the
Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this,
that and the other thing. Nonsense! I don't have to be nice to the
spirit of the Antichrist."


"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get
married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your
husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is
the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."


"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were
Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things
seem to go together."


And last but not least, for a while:

Robertson did an interview with Zambia's dictatorial president,
Frederick Chiluba. (Chiluba ordered the public school system to
become Christian-only, despite the existence of a sizable minority of
Muslims and Hindus in the country... The national TV and radio stations
also turned to all Christian programming.) On the 700 Club in 1995,
Robertson told Chiluba, "Your country is not only the standard for
Africa but for the rest of the world." Afterward, he asked his
audience "Wouldn't you love to have someone like that as President of
the United States of America?"