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To: Elmer who wrote (100417)	3/6/2000 8:45:00 PM
From: Paul Engel	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 186894

Elmer - Re: "If Intel's 1 GHz part has lower Vcc than 1.8 Volts I am inclined to believe that AMD has completely shot their wad here and Intel is the one with headroom" AMD's Gigger appears to be nothing more than an OVERCLOCKED AthWiper with an incredible JACKED UP VOLTAGE of 1.8 volts - as you noted. It requires a Nuclear Meltdown Preventive Massive Thermal Brick - to help cool the 65 WATT Power Dissipation !!! That 65 WATT Power Dissipation !!! is MORE than about 1/3 of the LIGHT BULBS in my home ! This 1.8 volts EXCEEDS the maximum permitted Vcc of the original 500 - 700 MHz AthWiper (1.7 Volts) . Clearly, AMD has long ago reached the maximum capability of the AthWIper design and 0.18 micron process - and now they are simply BRUTE FORCING devices into a speed range where Reliability will be a major issue. This is clearly a desperate act by a desperate company. Paul

To: Elmer who wrote (100417)	3/6/2000 8:54:00 PM
From: Gary Ng	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Elmer, Re: Perhaps this has been discussed already but I just downloaded AMD's new datasheet for the 1GHz Athlon and saw 1.8V nominal Vcc I have read on either Acehardware or one of those site that said the power required for these high speed Athlon are 60W+. Gary

To: Elmer who wrote (100417)	3/6/2000 11:06:00 PM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: "This is a last gasp desperate effort to push the gate oxides to the very limits of reliability." From what I have seen, all indications are that Intel is at 20A gate oxide while AMD is at 23A. (If) that is the case (all other things being equal), my educated opinion is that Intel is somewhat closer to the gate oxide reliability limit at 1.7V for 20A than AMD at 1.8V for 23A. We've all ready heard your uneducated opinion. TEH WATSONYOUTH