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Pastimes : Murder Mystery: Who Killed Yale Student Suzanne Jovin? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (584)	3/9/2000 1:04:00 AM
From: Zeuspaul	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1397

You also need to think "car". I believe a car was involved. However I do not believe we can rule out a fast paced walk followed by a chase/run. There were no defensive wounds and apparently all head wounds were to the rear, not to the face. This implies Suzanne had her back to the killer. Agreed but she could have been on the ground with her face to the ground. The lack of blood indicates she was killed on the grass. If she were killed in a car there would have been a lot more blood on the body. And most likely al least a few drops on the street as she was thrown out of the car. (perhaps there were drops on the street but there should/would?have been an intense search at the scene and none was reported..I am sure other things have not been reported as well) Where is the knife? In the glove compartment, under the seat, in his pocket? Either way, it would take time to access. It's hard to imagine Suzanne wouldn't have noticed this and been in a defensive position. That is way it took him a long block to catch up to her The only other alternative is the car was stopped and she was in the process of trying to get out. The killer would probably have lunged at her. The steering wheel would have severely restricted his movement Agreed, that is why he got out of the car and chased her. So if the wounds don't fit those we'd expect of a driver, now we're talking they must have come from a passenger. Or as noted above Given the angle of someone putting pressure on her back it would mean the head would be a likely and easy target Agreed, but she could have been face down on the grass. Zeuspaul

To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (584)	3/9/2000 2:11:00 AM
From: Zeuspaul	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1397

So if the wounds don't fit those we'd expect of a driver, now we're talking they must have come from a passenger. This pretty much rules out a crime of passion. I too believe there is little chance a driver could execute this kind of knife attack on a passenger. If a passenger did it, either Suzanne was in the front seat or the rear seat. If in the front, it would probably mean the killer was in the back seat leaning over with a knife near her. The head rest might have been in the way but I think he could have gotten off 17 blows to the head. The only possible gotcha here is that after a few blows she might have slumped forward meaning if the killer were in a frenzy he would have also struck her in the back. We agree she was not killed by a sole driver. If she is in a car with driver and another passenger she most likely knows she does not want to be there. I would anticipate some kind of defensive wounds. She would have been fighting from the moment she got in the car. I can not see her getting in on her own with two strangers. If in the front seat there would not be an easy way to restrain her. A slit to the throat followed by stabs would be possible. I find the front seat more plausible than the back seat scenario due to the concentrated wounds and the shielding of the seat. However I believe there would be a lot of blood on her back as she would have been upright with the blood dripping down her back. This would have been evident to witnesses that saw the body on the ground. I believe the lack of blood fits best with stabbing in face down position on the grass. If in the rear seat, she probably was being restrained face down, probably on the floor. Maybe if it were an old Cadilac. Most modern cars do not have room for my feet in the back seat floor. So if it were in the back seat she would be face down on the seat. I believe she would have been putting up a hell of a fight. I can not see one person restraining her and stabbing at the same time. I think she would have been moving, the stabs would be more random and she would have been covered in blood. If a second person assisted in the back seat then there would have been no room to lie her down on the seat. Focused head wounds seem IMO better suited to a front seat. I have trouble with the murder in the car scene. Suzanne would have fought back against strangers early on. If she was sitting in the back seat with someone..how did he get her face down without a fight? If he threw her into the car face down she would have sat up and fought as he got in the car. A young fit woman would have a lot of strength if fighting for her life. If murdered in the car it seems we have to ignore the argument and the screams and the "why are you doing this to me" which is a lot of evidence to rule out IMO. My understanding is this is a quiet upscale neighborhood. A scream near the time of a murder seams significant to me. In addition the argument and the statement...three seemingly relevant bits of evidence seem too much not to consider. Odds are they are related as they fit the timeline. I live in a quiet neighborhood and I rarely hear anything. I do not recall ever hearing a scream in the five years I have lived here. A couple of times I heard a family squabble but I knew it was a neighbor. Zeuspaul