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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: greenspirit who wrote (75730)	3/13/2000 3:09:00 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 108807

<<Why should you force your moral beliefs regarding what is right or wrong>>...What moral belief have I mentioned michael?...<<if I am not hurting anyone?>>...the position that I have taken and presented describes how "not hurting anyone" is not necessarily controllable or forseeable by you the nudist. <<You puritans>>...Thanks, I wish I qualified...<<are really stuck on seeing sex in everything aren't you?.>> By covering with modest clothing and taking responsibility for our oggling tendancies we are attempting to have a society wherein we can interact enmass without sex being in everything. here is an interesting comment by jbe<<In this country, the only people who have displayed themselves completely nude in public are the "streakers" of yesteryear, and streaking was a fad that no one took very seriously.>> I was on campus doing a Masters at the time of the streakers. The majority were male and were seen as clowning or annoying by the public. Most of the public just said, "gawd look at that." The females who were streaking generally made sure they were coccooned by a large group (wisely) and the male public was generally doing everything they could to get a good look. <<Next thing you will be saying is women have to wear shirts but men don't.>> Yeeaaaa, so.... <<Did you know that researchers have found possible evidence of a nudist gene.>> Yeeaaa, so.... <<I am the one being natural>>...yeeaaa, so... <<and you guys are forcing your beliefs on me and my family.>> What beliefs? You framed this as a legislative matter. So, we are discussing the pragmatics of clothing, or not, in mainstream public society and its baring on our ability to relate to each other without provoking unwelcome or unwanted responses from the public. By having this we also have establishing codes of behavior that lend support to a stable society where fidelity (an assumed and agreed upon societal value) in relations is somewhat reenforced. In addition to that, preferences to individual sexual awakenings, involvement, and yearnings is a private matter in our society. We can separate our nudity as an enjoyable and natural experience under the sun but not in relation to how others percieve it or may be effected by it. We don't control that. <<Why can't I walk out in my front yard nude and enjoy the sunshine!>> as above. <<I have to look at your ugly tight clothes.>> No you don't because I never wear tight clothing and consider the practice to be nearly as provocative as is nudity; by its sneaky nature even more so in some cases. If you don't like to look at my ugly baggy cloths, however, you have the responsibility to avert your gaze. It is, however, a different issue than attracting, arousing, or provoking an unwelcome or undesirable sexual response. <<Prove that I am hurting anyone with my nudity.>> I don't have time or resources to prove how you are directly effecting the people around you. The issue again is legislation. Public nudity is only one aspect of a much larger realm of responsibility that supports the system of relationships which are founded in fidelity, and which assurs the members of society that they are protected from harrassment in this area. I am fairly confident that if we were speaking of you as an individual, society would consider you a curious novelty or tolerable annoyance at worst. Legislating the practice, however, is the issue and opens another floodgate.