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To: W. Randy Gast who wrote (5097)	3/15/2000 11:04:00 PM
From: gg cox	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5827

It sounds like there will be lots more news coming in the next few weeks on "gasoline fuel cells."Here is an old article on the subject. primenet.com Gasoline Fuel-Cell is Fool Sell by Clare Bell, EAA It's being touted in the media as the breakthrough development that will finally put fleets of EVs on the nation's roads. It also promises to end the opposition of established interests to the spread of EVs, since it will give them a big chunk of the cut, keeping them happy. Two annoying birdies kayoed with one stone and we zoom forward into a brighter future, right? Buzz into your local gas station, fill up and away you go, with your fuel cell bubbling in your emission-free machine. Well, that is what the gasoline companies would have you believe. I don't think so, sports fans! Beware of pump-purveyors bearing gifts. Or smoke and mirrors ( they are very good at generating smoke). The gasoline fuel cell is more a "fool-sell," a cleverly disguised attempt to once again knock the EV movement for a loop. It is a way to justify the preservation of the status quo and to take the wind out of the sails of ZEV-mandated states such as New York. The gasoline fuel cell is more notable for what it DOESN'T DO than what it does. Don't let this new brand of hype "fuel" you. What the gasoline fuel cell doesn't do It doesn't do much for the greenhouse effect. The end product of gasoline combusion is CO2, whether you burn the fuel in an engine, or chemically oxidize it to release hydrogen in a reformulator (the hydrogen is then fed to the fuel-cell directly or tanked for later use). Combustion, by definition, uses up oxygen and releases CO2. What improvements in CO2 emissions comes about as a result of using an electric drivetrain. Don't think about sitting in a closed garage with a running fuel-cell car with a gasoline reformulator on-board. You may not die from the hydrocarbons or NOX, but you will still suffocate. Fuel-cells are best used in a complete hydrogen energy cycle, which uses renewable solar or thermal energy sources to generate hydrogen from water without releasing CO2. Stored hydrogen then is used to drive hydrogen fuel-cell EVs, which emit only water vapor. If we are going to use feul-cells. let's use the hudrogen ones. Even methanol isn't so bad, since it can be produced from corn. It doesn't get rid of the bloody yoke of oil dependency that harnesses this country to militarism, exploitation and violence, Whether that gasoline is burned in your Chevy V8 or trickles through a gasoline reformulator, Big Oil still sucked it out of the ground, refined it and is making profit off it. It does nothing about making this country less vulnerable to economic and social disruption that could ensue as a result of an oil shortage. It does nothing about environmental damage due to extraction, processing, transport and shipping of petroleum. Nothing is going to change the way gasoline is obtained. It does nothing to discourage wasteful driving habits or building heavy inefficient vehicles. We could end up with ghastly contradiction of monster trucks powered by fuel cells that still only get 15-20 miles per gallon. It actually doesn't do much ANYTHING except get the oilies and auto manufacturers off the ZEV hook for 2003. If you read the fine print, it will be another eight or ten years before gasoline fuel cells are actually in manufactured vehicles that you can go out and buy. A gasoline fuel-cell car is NOT, by any reasonable definition, an alternate energy vehicle. It's like saying that an addict who shoots Demerol instead of heroin isn't still hooked. Infernal conbustion is still infernal combustion, whether through a reformulator/fuel cell or through spark ignition in a cylinder, It uses a hydrocarbon fuel, uses up oxygen and release carbon dioxide. What all the gasoline fuel-cell hype does do is: Take money and effort away from other EV and renewable energy technologies that would offer true energy independence. Deflect effort and resources from developing a complete integrated hydrogen energy cycle system, which includes hydrogen fuel cells. Delay the developemnt and implementation of current fuel-cell vehicle that use stored hydrogen or methanol, since those technologies are further along in development than the gasoline fuel-cell. Ballard in Canada is building fuel-cell busses and Mercedes is close to offering a fuel-cell passenger car. The gasoline fuel-cell? No gift to EVs! It's a "fool-sell" from the oilies and their alles. Don't buy it! Clare Bell Electric Auto Association Editor, ce96ed@aol.com

To: W. Randy Gast who wrote (5097)	3/15/2000 11:47:00 PM
From: Wayners	Respond to of 5827

You're the first sensible person I've seen on here in awhile. The sheep just don't realize that its all a game to create buy/sell points through the use of the media --selling panics and buying panics so that the professional traders can load up with inventory on selling panics and unload that inventory on the next buying panic. Its just one panic to the next panic. People think the media is on their side to give them the information that they need. They're not. The best way to trade is by using the charts with only some hard core news--no opinions or sentiment. Think like the pros buy on the selling panics and sell on the buying panics. Just one thing...don't guess where the bottom is, let others do some buying FIRST. Be reactive, not the leader. Wait for that first up day. Wait for that first up bar. Count the number of waves down or waves up. Count three waves down and then look for that first up bar. Count three waves up then sell. Its easy taking peoples money.