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To: goldsheet who wrote (50548)3/19/2000 4:13:00 PM
From: IngotWeTrust  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116796
 
RE: Press Releases being copied, etc., there is what is known as the "Fair Use, etc." rule. Cite it and post without fear is what is what I've been advised. Trying to sell for financial gain of the thief is quite something else.

Old Murphy has been saying one thing and doing something else for many many months now, especially where SI is concerned. Why he'd cry foul now, and through a 3rd party no less, is a mystery. Especially since he has reaped financial benefit from his most ardent supporter. So to feign wrath and umbrance all the while being privtely grateful for such a Kling-on spreading the doctrine far and wide is no more justifiable than SI's capricious policy discussed below.

No one is asking you to be amused if someone breaks your copyright...that is the problem with copyrights...it is up to the owner to A) defend, and B) then prove financial damages.

Doubt seriously Reuters, API, UPI, WSJ, CNBC or any of the rest of them can A) waste hi-priced legal talent time charges to B) pursue frivolous suits by trying to C) prove financial damage from posting press releases, let alone by D) a foreign poster beyond the enforcement pervue anyhow.

You might be interested to know that SI is now trying to enforce a "no URL's in any SI post" policy, albeit capriciously, depending upon how much someone's ox is gored, in this case, theirs, of course.

And part of the reason they AREN'T discussing this latest "agenda item pursuit" is because they-SI- are now starting to add Advertisement-taglines to bottoms of certain posts for SI income generation, the only one I've seen so far is for Ameritrade, and I saw it ystdy on SI, but now forget which thread I spotted it on.

I find SI willfully aligning themselves, aka, accepting fee income for promoting Ameritrade, especially after Ameritrade was blasted so unmercifully by both eMailers as well as live commentary on CNBC just this past Thursday, just makes this whole currently SI-selective URL censorship campaign Terms of Use enforcement policy suspect.

Further, it is my understanding that SI's inconsistent and capricious URL censorship enforcement policy is based upon a hypothesis that all URLs are "advertising" because they point to a "non-SI" place where product or service or information is for sale, let alone banner advertisements bleating away constantly clamouring for additional "SI-membership draining???" income. Pursuing a no-URL posting policy for their own income agendae is going to be another death knell for this service and another "advertisement" for RB, WSI, YHOO, et al. It certainly is NOT being pursued for any lofty "anti-copyright" motivation.

It is a two sided issue, and when the benefits of one outweigh the detriments, then maybe Reuters will sue. Until then, especially with the implementation of "Fair Use, etc." rule, it is more akin to the 5mph over the limit policy employed by the radar totin' law enforcement-traffic personnel.

Besides, never knowing if or when I, or Reuters, or You are going to initiate "copyright protections" measures and make an "example/scapegoat" out of someone is one of our best defensive measures. Doubt ole Murphy gives a flyin' fig! And a good case of sympathy can be worked up for ole dougAK as a scapegoat for DoubleD/Enigma's frustrations, doing more harm than good to Murph's GADDABOUT cause.

For an example, remember a few months back when Disney came down hard on a couple of tiny daycare homes in the slums who painted crude facsimiles of Mickey Mouse on their windows?
Yeah, a real threat to Disney. And since then, Mickey Mouse in the Windows of Day Care Centers have sprouted like dandelions all over this nation.

I repeat, if the copyright owner doesn't consistently enforce his/her rights, and furthermore, win consistently, then what does it avail the owner to cry foul? American's in particular, love the underdog, the scapegoat, the wrong doer, even to the point of the perp now suing the victims in our society.

If you know where to draw the line, i.e., AND the copyright law, especially under the "Fair Use, etc" rule indicates it has to be tied to financial damage to the holder, then pursue away. Until then, we have to live with the Fair Use rule.

Besides, I've dealt very effectively with copyright infringement attempts with my books. And with distribution now belonging to a third party firm, it is THEIR problem, not mine to pursue enforcement and making examples of non-"fair users"

Regards,
O/49r

There are nations and people who think the whole copyright thing is indefensible and don't recognize them at all. What do you say to them?




To: goldsheet who wrote (50548)3/19/2000 5:08:00 PM
From: Alex  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 116796
 
<<I trying not to take side either, it doesn't matter if I personally agree with the information or not, if permission is granted you post it, if it isn't you don't.

One SI terms of use siliconinvestor.com that gets violated all the time is the posting of press releases.

"Use Silicon Investor in any way that infringes or may infringe the intellectual property rights, copyrights or other rights of another. For example, you may not copy and paste a press release into a post on Silicon Investor."

I am surpised companies like Reuters don't take action.
Do a seach for Reuters and you will see a dozen new release copyright violations per day on SI. >>
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Bob. As 95% of my posts are usually links and/or links and content from various sources, I take this post to be directed towards myself and a few others here who try and share a form of research material and knowledge with the rest of the thread. Seldom if ever have I seen such material posted without referance to the source as well as copyright notices and a hyperlink to the article. The few that I myself provide without such material are usually from news sources that have a rolling database of stories and the hyperlinks, after a day or so, bring you to a totally unrelated story. I've been brought to task here for that in the past, so I simply don't post those hyperlinks any more.
It is even rarer to come by articles that the poster falsely proclaims to be their own. However, as you have referred to these types of postings in the past as not being to your liking, I shall no longer post them. I personally find the relentless personal attacks and snide remarks of many posters to be far more annoying and offensive than the above. It is THE main reason why I made the decision, a long time ago, to post in the form that I do. I thought it would avoid the very thing that I'm confronted with now. There's just no pleasing everyone I guess.



To: goldsheet who wrote (50548)3/19/2000 5:37:00 PM
From: Rarebird  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 116796
 
<If someone were copying one of your books and posting it for free on the web, I'm sure you would have a different perspective.>

I've published a couple of books and have had numerous people who quote me in their papers. I'm all for it as long as they don't plagiarize and they acknowledge the source and provide my book in their bibliography. Yes, I'm talking primarily from an Academic perspective here.

<I have had folks copy an entire page from my website, and I was not amused ;)>

This is the Wide Open Critical Information Age, a free Society where everyone is entitled to learn from others ( and convey information) and not some closed end universe where knowledge stands still!

Did the folks who copied the information, acknowledge the source and provide a link? If they did, what's wrong with that since you do not charge to gain access to the information on your web site?

PS I think your right in relation to Doug. But that's Bill Murphy's concern. If he's any kind of a businessman, I'm sure he is quite aware of what Doug is doing and has weighed the pros and cons of his posts and has decided it is beneficial for business. It is like giving out a free daily sample of a new product. I don't waste my time reading that garbage so it doesn't bother me.