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Pastimes : Murder Mystery: Who Killed Yale Student Suzanne Jovin? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (691)	3/21/2000 12:46:00 AM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1397

Re: 3/20/00 - Yale will clarify offensive ABC remarks Yale will clarify offensive ABC remarks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BY MICHAEL BARBARO AND MICHAEL HORN YDN Staff Reporters Published 3/20/00 Disappointed with its portrayal on ABC's 20/20 special report on the murder of Suzanne Jovin '99, Yale plans to release a statement to clarify some of its official broadcasted remarks about the case. The impending announcement comes on the heels of sharp criticism by community members that the University's comments were careless and insensitive to Jovin's family and friends. University Secretary Linda Lorimer is expected to release a statement this week that will directly address both the comments and Yale's concern about the unsolved murder. Jovin, a 21-year-old political science major from Goettingen, Germany, was found suffering from 17 stab wounds about a mile north of campus Dec. 4, 1998. A University spokesman told ABC producers that bringing more attention to the murder can "only hurt Yale" and that Yale wants to put the Jovin murder behind them. "I was offended and embarrassed by the comments," said political science Professor David Cameron in an e-mail last night. "I thought they displayed a profound insensitivity on the part of the University toward the Jovin family and their continuing anguish." Cameron said he complained directly about Yale's comments on the show to President Richard Levin, Lorimer, Deputy Secretary Martha Highsmith and Director of Public Affairs Larry Haas soon after the program ran. Neither Haas nor University spokesman Tom Conroy was available for comment last night. Michael Blum '99, Jovin's classmate and friend, wrote in an e-mail to the same administrators and Yale College Dean Richard Brodhead that after watching the ABC broadcast his faith in Yale had been shaken. "The statement that 20/20 put out for the University cannot possibly have been an official one. How can it possibly be better for anyone to simply forget what happened?" Blum wrote in the March 6 e-mail obtained by the Yale Daily News. "I can't forget that my friend is dead," he said. "I don't want people to not pay attention to what happened. I want people to speak about it. The villain is still free." In a March 13 response, Lorimer said, "Rick [Levin] and I were as disappointed as you with ABC's presentation. We expected the network to rely on the statements by senior University administrators including Dean Brodhead, Rick Levin and me in which we worked hard to capture, in the aftermath of the tragedy, the University's true feelings." yaledailynews.com

To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (691)	3/21/2000 1:35:00 AM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1397

This was sent to me by a lurker: ===== Hi, I'm not an SI member, so I can't post, but have a few thoughts: 1. If SJ was murdered in a car, and then the body dumped - why there? Why in a residential neighborhood where someone could have been looking out the window and ID'ed the car? Presumably the body dumper would do a quick check, but why drive around with a dead woman in your car waiting for the right area to dump it? It seems to make it would make much more sense to drive out to an uninhabited area and toss the body. Many cities have areas like this, where bodies are frequently found. They're not necessarily used by serial killers; it's just that everyone knows that you can toss a body there and not get seen. 2. Why was SJ's boyfriend out that night? Does he go to NYC on a regular basis? If not, I may be cynical, but it seems pretty convenient that he was out of town the night his girlfriend was murdered. Even if he didn't do it, he may know who did. 3. I'm not so certain about the 'she was meeting a terrorist of some sort' idea. There isn't that much evidence pointing towards that; it seems more geared towards appealing to our idea of an innocent person getting involved with nasty people, a la many a Hitchcock film. Suzanne doesn't strike me as someone stupid enough to do this. 4. I honestly think there has to be a good reason why the police are still on Jim's case. Homicide police don't get brownie points for having a suspect they can't nail (in fact, it usually makes them look bad; look at all the fallout from the Jon-Benet Ramsey case); they only get points if they get someone in custody. I'm willing to bet they know something that we don't. Thanks for starting the thread. If you want to post my comments, feel free, but I'd prefer to remain anonymous. Take care. ===== My reply: 1. Re: Why might Suzanne have been dumped where she was College Street, where Suzanne was last seen alive, turns into Prospect Street. While technically a residential street, Prospect has many Yale buildings on it and very large houses subdivided into apartments. It's the main drag where cross streets lead to both the projects (inner city) and the posh area of town where Suzanne was found. The street on which she was found, East Rock Rd, is a very well known cross street since it leads directly into East Rock park, a popular place for druggies. See the map at: apbnews.com The point is that Suzanne wasn't found in some obscure remote area. She was found on a major cross street of a major well-traveled and familiar road. Her body was positioned on the south side of the street which would be consistent with a car continuing north on College and making a right (east) on East Rock. One more block east and you'd be on Whitney, a well-lit and constantly busy four-lane road. My thinking is that if a group of people did pick up Suzanne they weren't at all concerned about being identified meaning they most probably were not from the Yale community. Similarly, since they most likely didn't hang out in the neighborhood Suzanne were found they probably had little fear that someone might recognize them even if they were spotted. Perhaps the car was even stolen. 2. Re: Boyfriend being out of town I'm not sure if he routinely went out of town. In any case, he obviously had an alibi so if he had anything to do with her murder one would think it would have been a paid hit. Suzanne's murder, IMO, did not resemble a paid hit. 3. Agreed 4. Re: Police must have something on Jim They've admitted they have nothing. Also don't forget they leaked Jim as the prime suspect even before they had done an investigation. What you are essentially saying is that the New Haven Police might be stupid, but not that stupid. You would think so. But you'd be wrong ;^). - Jeff

To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (691)	3/21/2000 10:36:00 PM
From: Zeuspaul	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1397

The two witnesses I talked to, and even the newspaper reports don't describe the crime scene as bloody. I do not recall evidence of NO blood. When someone indicates the seen is not bloody I interpret that to mean there is not a lot of blood all over the place. Blood in grass would not be very visible and it would not have the look of a bloody crime scene. Am I too fixated on this? Yes. He is your friend and your bias shows IMO in many of your posts. No offense intended..just my observation. It seems like a normal thing to do for a friend. I admit this plus the body position (feet in the road and body ninety degrees) I recall one report of the body being at an angle across the parkway..if I find the reference I will post the link. Zeuspaul