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To: jbe who wrote (75880)	3/22/2000 7:54:00 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 108807

If there were sufficient cultural segregation, there might be something to the distinction. Clearly, the English (in England) combined more closely in a longer time frame. The Scotch- Irish were not an especially strong factor in Irish literature, but one can see, in the counties they dominate, their resistance to being assimilated into Ireland. As a group, they have resisted Irish nationalism. On the other hand, some Anglo- Irish embraced it, so maybe that counts. The main thing I was commenting on was the irony of the "bigotry" in Irish nationalism giving way to self- aggrandizement when it comes to literature. I hadn't expected a big argument, since it was a fairly mild observation. I will say that I think that something larger than bigotry is involved, though, insofar as a history is reflected, one of depredation against the native Irish by the (mostly foreign) landowning class, backed by the Crown. Perhaps feelings would not be so bitter had it not been for the Potato Famine, and the unwillingness of the central government to make provision against starvation or being turned out for non- payment of rent in a common crisis. However, the bitterness is now there, and supports the distinctions among the Irish more than mere bigotry......

To: jbe who wrote (75880)	3/22/2000 3:08:00 PM
From: Zoltan!	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Do you get the 450k?

To: jbe who wrote (75880)	3/22/2000 10:20:00 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 108807

My own husband is half unassimilated Scots-Irish. On St. Patricks day, he used to wear orange. He comes from Chicago, where they dye the Chicago river green on St. Patrick's day. His family jokes that at least it runs orange every other day of the year. His cat, a black one with a white marking that looks like a minister's collar, is named Oliver Catwell. It may be silly, but I don't even try to persuade him of that. He's no more open to persuasion than a green Irishman. He also wears a kilt, and claims to be Celtic. You figure it out. The "original" English were dark, first the Picts, who were small, then the Albans, who looked not unlike present-day Greeks. Celts came later, the Jutes, Angles and Saxons later still, Danes after that, and the Normans, in 1066, were not French but Germanic. But the English language, one of the glories of the world, is Germanic, and so we must accept our Germanic heritage if we revel in our English ancestry. CobaltBlue, some of whose ancestors were named Musselwhite, Austen, Peyton, Jewell, and King. (Not to mention Vignes, Persich, and Hepler).