The Value of the P/E Ratio By Cheryl Peress Mutual Funds Editor 03/26/2000 10:45 AM
With the Dow flying to all-time highs, it appears that investors are once again flocking to traditional, stable, value stocks. But, what constitutes value? A main component is the price-to-earnings or P/E ratio, once the bellwether of all investment indicators.
"For businesses with stable and predictable earnings -- electric utilities, REITs, banks -- P/E gives a good idea of the value of the business," says Martin Whitman, veteran value investor and manager of the Third Avenue Value fund (TAVFX).
However, in this day of fledgling biotech and Internet companies, the P/E ratio can actually be very misleading.
"The old days of predictable valuations are gone," says Bob Zucarro, portfolio manager of the large cap growth Grand Prix fund (GPFFX). "Stocks no longer sell on P/E ratios. It's very difficult in the current climate to use the P/E ratio as a gauge."
A Basic Screen The P/E ratio is calculated by dividing a company's stock price by earnings. It represents how much investors are willing to pay for every dollar's worth of earnings, and fluctuates with investor perceptions of earnings growth.
Generally speaking, companies with high P/E ratios tend to be emerging companies in growth industries. Even though current earnings may be scant, investors anticipate rapid earnings growth and are willing to pay up for the stock. Conversely, large, established companies with stable earnings growth often have lower ratios.
P/E is a better comparison of the value of a stock than the price. For example, a $20 stock with a P/E of 50 is much more expensive than a $200 stock with a P/E of 10.
But, whether or not a certain stock is overvalued or undervalued depends on whom you're talking to. While Cisco Systems (CSCO: Nasdaq) currently has a P/E ratio of 200, there are some ardent Cisco fans that believe the stock is a bargain even at these lofty levels.
A depressed stock, one that trades at a very low P/E ratio, may not be undervalued in certain eyes, but rather, just a poor company.
Many money managers use the P/E as a basic screen for companies that they are considering buying. Then they look at a multitude of other factors that determine stock price.
A Different Environment The P/E ratio is a very useful indicator for more seasoned companies. Whitman invests primarily in highly cyclical, value industries and looks for companies with high quality assets, but which may have a poor near term earnings outlook -- the E in the P/E equation is very low. "The P/E is high because they have not yet converted resources to earnings."
In other words, Whitman has attached much higher earnings growth prospects than has the market. Although the current P/E indicates a somewhat expensive stock, Whitman sees it as relatively cheap given his positive future assessment.
But, how can you use the P/E ratio for a company with no E? Some experts believe that in the current environment, P/Es are meaningless. "Some (P/Es) are outrageously high, while others are ridiculously low," says Zucarro. "Very few stocks are advancing despite positive earnings reports."
"The P/E ratio shouldn't be the be all and end all," says Malcolm Fobes, manager of Berkshire Focus (BFOCX), a top-performing large cap growth fund.
"We have a checklist with 20 to 30 items," he says. "The P/E ratio is on the list." But, it's certainly not the only thing. Management, market share, company health, competition, and the economy are all weighed. "If there are more green flags than red flags, we'll buy the stock."
Fobes cites Exodus Communications (EXDS: Nasdaq), a company that hosts, manages and maintains company servers and Web sites. Although not yet profitable, Exodus has top-notch management, dominant market share, and a first to market advantage in a growing market. "There are a lot of intangibles," he says.
The PEG Ratio There are other incidences where the P/E ratio can be misleading. "For tech companies who make acquisitions on a regular basis and take write-offs against earnings, the E in P/E is smaller, which in turn makes the P/E ratio higher than it really is," says Fobes.
With a P/E of 200, Cisco appears to be highly overpriced at first glance. But, because earnings have been reduced as a result of recent acquisitions, the P/E number is really misleading.
Instead, Fobes prefers to look at the PEG ratio, another gauge of value, measured by dividing the P/E ratio by expected future growth. It's a useful tool when comparing companies within the same industry.
Fobes compares Microsoft (MSFT: Nasdaq) to Intel (INTC: Nasdaq). While the two are not exactly in the same industry, they are both bellwethers in the tech arena.
Microsoft has a P/E of 64 and Fobes expects a growth rate over the next five years of roughly 35%. Dividing 64 by 35 gives a PEG ratio of 1.83. Intel has a similar P/E ratio at 60, but the consensus five-year earnings growth rate is 20%. That gives a PEG of 2.97.
Looking at the P/E ratio, the two companies appear to be of similar value. But according to the PEG ratio, "Microsoft looks pretty inexpensive," says Fobes.
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