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To: hmaly who wrote (100313)	3/27/2000 8:20:00 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576229

Hmaly, <Tench, yes the i840 with 800 mhz rambus is faster on some applications but is slower on some and hardly worth the extra expense.> 1 GHz is also hardly worth the extra expense, but hey, there are people out there who will pay top dollar for incremental improvements in performance. Why not Rambus? <Secondly the 800 mhz is rare and is what people expect but what they normally get is 700 or 600 mhz rambus which is slower than BX with pc-100. So, ultimately the rambus setup is just there to beat athlon on certain specs.> People have their hands on Rambus-based 800 MHz PCs right now. It's a real system. Dell also is selling 1 GHz PC's right now. It's a real system. Does supply shortages mean that it shouldn't be considered legit? <So you agree that Celeron wasn't an innovation but rather a response to k6-2. It was only after the Covington flopped Intel responded with Mendocino, one of Intel's greatest chips, mainly because of overclockability.> Mendocino was already on the roadmap even before Covington was introduced. Covington was a stop-gap measure, while Mendocino was the real innovative solution. Mendocino was moved ahead three months from its original plan not (just) because Covington was so weak, but because the first silicon of Mendocino was so clean. <You say Intel was developing SSE long before AMD started developing 3dnow; and yet AMD beat Intel to market by 9 months. Isn't it possible Intel had to reverse engineer 3DNOW to find out how to do sse.> Nine months is hardly enough time to reverse-engineer a K6-2, radically change the design of Katmai, similate it, tape it out, then validate it before production. By the way, I said Intel was developing SSE long before AMD released 3DNow. Perhaps AMD started developing 3DNow before Intel started development on SSE, but it doesn't matter now. <As far as "robustness" being better wouldn't have made any difference if AMD had 97% of high end marketplace.> You're right, but that doesn't change the fact that SSE is indeed more robust than 3DNow, which only helps. <Tench, you are the first person I have heard this from. Sharkeys, Anands Ars and Tom all have lambasted the hub architecture and said stick with BX.> No, their recommendation of 440BX has nothing to do with HubLink. Even Tom is saying that HubLink is a good idea in itself. But he's recommending the 440BX because he thinks Rambus isn't worth it for 820 and 840, the 820 with SDRAM uses a performance-sapping translator, and the 810 is only for the low-end. None of that has anything to do with HubLink. <Intel has been feeding us this crap for 6 months now. If yields are so hot, where all these 1 million chips/fab/wk.> Try calling Dell. They just announced yesterday that their supply issues are behind them. Makes sense, considering the lead time between the "1 million chips/fab/week" sighting and the appearance of these chips in the channel (about one month). <As far as "Volumes are more important than speed"; oops you must have forgotten about the 1ghz ; where Anand states Intel changed doping to increase speed but that will reduce yields and temperature.> So? That's just a small fraction of Intel's entire production capacity dedicated toward those 1 GHz hot rods. <Yeah sure Tench, name me one person on this thread who is even close to Whinee Peewee Paulie in negativity. My bet is he would win a negativity poll by wide margin.> OK, you got me there. I only know of one person who matches Paul in negativity and personal attacks. (No need to mention names here.) But to his credit, he doesn't post nearly as much as Paul. Tenchusatsu