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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (101239)	3/31/2000 5:14:00 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572935

Platform. Celeron has 810. 'Nuff said. Meanwhile, Spitfire has to go into expensive Athlon motherboards. There is about $30-$40 price difference between these boards, but that may have to do with the fact that Athlon is targeted to mainstream / performance market. I expect this margin to shrink when Socket A boards arrive (unless AMD supplies a lot more Spitfires that the motherboard makers are ready to support). I've heard AMD is working on ways to lower the cost of the platform, including reducing the power consumption of the server-class EV6 interface. Seems like such work is a necessity if AMD wants Spitfire to be a real alternative to Celeron. OT One thing that I wonder about is the size of the boxes sold to consumers, even in entry level category. Isn't it strange that very few companies sell anything smaller than these monstrous tower cases. They are great for people who want to tinker with their systems, but vast majority of people never open their computers. I think someone (Intel) should come up with an alternative to ATX. NLX is ok, but it is not ideal, and it is not widely supported. I think one of the things needed is a new standard for expansions cards - a fraction - 1/4 or even 1/10 of the full size card. We are stuck with 5 1/4 CD / DVD, but everything else is 3 1/2, so there is no need for more than 1 to 2 max slim size 5 1/4 bays. It would be great if at some point in the near future, we had fan-less desktops. There are notebooks out there today that work without fan most of the time. Doesn't it make sense to design desktop cases with the same power consumption? You have a lot more to work with. You can use the case itself to act as a heatsink, if the heat from the power supply / CPU could be somehow conducted to the case. It would be less annoying to me to have a worm case under my desk than a laptop heating thighs. After hard drives, the fans on the power supply / CPU are the most volnurable parts of the computer from reliability standpoint. I hear CAS2 PC133 is yielding no better than 5% at the moment, which would make PC800 RDRAM look like a walk in the park by comparison. Yet CAS2 PC133 isn't demanding sky-high prices like RDRAM. The demand for CAS2 PC133 is relatively low. When the demand increases, the memory manufacturers will tighten the parameters of their process to yield more CAS2 parts. I don't think the transition from PC100 CAS3 -> PC100 CAS2 -> PC133 CAS3 -> PC133 CAS2 is any more difficult than going from 600 MHz to 650 MHz. It's probably more complex than that, but far less so than a leap to Rambus. Joe

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (101239)	3/31/2000 11:30:00 AM
From: Paul Ma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572935

You're welcome. The funny thing about price is that it totally exaggerates the cost differential between RDRAM and DDR SDRAM. I hear CAS2 PC133 is yielding no better than 5% at the moment, which would make PC800 RDRAM look like a walk in the park by comparison. Yet CAS2 PC133 isn't demanding sky-high prices like RDRAM. Hey, this is false! Go to Anandtech Forums, there are plenty of people hitting cas 2 133 with PNY, Corsair, Micron, Siemens/Infineon chips. Some people have been hitting 140 cas 2 as well. I don't know where you get your information from but it's wrong. I see A LOT MORE cas 2 133 than pc800 rdram! Paul

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (101239)	3/31/2000 1:47:00 PM
From: Petz	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572935

Tench, re:<I hear CAS2 PC133 is yielding no better than 5% at the moment> I would tend to doubt that based on personal experience. I bought a $99 stick of 128M PC133 two weeks ago. Yesterday, I finally got around to BIOS tweaking on my new Spry Athy 750 system and set the memory bus to 133 MHz and simultaneously changed CAS timing from AUTO to 3. On bootup the BIOS informed me that I should set CAS timing to 2! I did so and its running Windows 2000 stably. It's Hitachi. Petz