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To: Kashish King who wrote (33230)4/1/2000 8:45:00 AM
From: John Malloy  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 77400
 
I own a bundle of Cisco. Like Rod Macpherson, I am also worried that Cisco may be way overvalued, and that it may be time to sell. Rod is concerned because the P/E is near 200; he thinks it should be closer to 30.

Rather than worry about what P/E is appropriate for a stock that is growing as fast as Cisco, I prefer to calculate by discounted cash flow the most I can afford to pay for Cisco and still earn some minimum after-tax return. Cisco's value depends on how fast you forecast equity/share will grow and the price/book ratio will fall.

I forecast by drawing free-hand curves on a sheet of graph paper. Free-hand curves give me the maximum flexibility in forecasting how growth and the P/B ratio might change in the future.

Cisco's equity/share is now growing 46 %/yr. and the P/B ratio is at a sky high 31.4. Certainly Cisco cannot maintain such rapid growth and high P/B ratio forever. Eventually they must both come down. I have been exploring how rapidly the growth rate would have to slow and the P/B drop before Cisco costs too much. I find it would take drastic declines in both before Cisco costs too much at today's price.

Equity/share is currently growing 46 %/yr. I have growth slowing to 43.1 %/yr. in one year, 36.1 in two, 30.4 in three, 27.5 in four, and 25.5 %/yr. in five years. As growth slows, investors will no longer pay such high P/B ratios. Along with slowing growth, I have the P/B ratio falling from 31.4 now to 26.2 in one year,18.3 in two, 15.3 in three, 13.8 in four, and 12.6 in five years.

That combination of growth and P/B ratio leads to stock prices of $101 in one year, $105 in two, $123 in three, $149 in four, and $179 in five years. The falling P/B ratio largely offsets the growing equity/share and causes the slow growth in price.

The most I can afford to pay for Cisco depends on the minimum after-tax return I insist on, and on how long I plan to hold the stock. If I insist on a 15% after-tax return and plan to hold the stock one year, I can afford to pay $79 -- near Cisco's current price. The longer I plan to hold Cisco, the less I can afford to pay. If I planned to hold Cisco for five years, I could only afford to pay $64.

I can afford to pay more if I lower my minimum after-tax return standard from 15 to 12%. I can afford to pay $82 if I hold the stock one year, but only $72 if I planned to hold Cisco two years.

If you accept my growth and P/B forecast, Cisco is not wildly overvalued. But it is not a great bargain, either. Based on what are probably pessimistic forecasts, Cisco today is fairly priced.

John Malloy



To: Kashish King who wrote (33230)4/3/2000 12:14:00 AM
From: Zoltan!  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
And your opinion is worth what I paid to get it.

I'm sure you have been as consistently wrong about Cisco as anyone who's ever been around. You appear headed for the hall of fame.

Through you we have seen yet again how bitterness and envy can warp a subject's outlook and actions. If you want some success at your game, ply your trade over at the NT thread, where they haven't either a PE or great growth.