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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (101909)4/4/2000 12:54:00 PM
From: chic_hearne  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1570107
 
Jim Re: You should be real proud of Clintons appointee, Janet "Waco on Wall Street" Reno...eh Scumbria?
Everything see touches goes up in smoke...


jim or thread,
I've been at work today and missed the reno thing, please fill me in.

I was going to pull the trigger on another buy at $55, but this market is REALLY scaring me today. 2 guys I work with are near getting wiped out by margin. They each only have a few thousand in play money, but I've got to think this is happening to some big players also.

Thank god I'm not using margin. I hope for everyone's sake that's reading this thread that you've stayed away from margin, or have picked stocks that didn't end up in the toilet. I hope none of you get wiped out.

chic

PS- I would not be suprised if today is the last day we have the chance to buy AMD below $60 until after a split.



To: Jim McMannis who wrote (101909)4/4/2000 12:56:00 PM
From: Joe NYC  Respond to of 1570107
 
You should be real proud of Clintons appointee, Janet "Waco on Wall Street" Reno...eh Scumbria?
Everything see touches goes up in smoke...


Yeah, but she took full responsibility for it.

Ok, now, all my stocks are red.

Joe



To: Jim McMannis who wrote (101909)4/4/2000 12:57:00 PM
From: DRBES  Respond to of 1570107
 
The only index that I can find that is up is the DOW Transportations. Could that be because everyone is giving up and leaving town?

Regards,

DARBES



To: Jim McMannis who wrote (101909)4/4/2000 12:57:00 PM
From: Scumbria  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1570107
 
Jim,

Relax man. We will be back up before you know it.

Scumbria



To: Jim McMannis who wrote (101909)4/4/2000 1:02:00 PM
From: 5dave22  Respond to of 1570107
 
Jim - I think a lot of this can be attributed to the extraordinary amount of margin out there. It's mostly on the etrades of the world. Small investors with $10,000 worth of equities have $9,500 worth of margin. Mostly in NASD.

The funny part is as soon as we do stablize, they'll take those loans right back out again.

interactive.wsj.com

You have to subscribe to WSJ.com to read, I'll cut & paste -

For Investors, Margin Calls
Follow the Market's Gloom
By GREG IP and RUTH SIMON
Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

This hurts.

Investors enriched by technology stocks' romp in the past year are wincing now as their profits start to melt away.

"I'm not enjoying this at all," says Paula Stringham, a stay-at-home mother and technology-stock investor in San Antonio. Ms. Stringham usually watches CNBC-TV throughout the day, but Monday she had to keep switching it off to avoid seeing her holdings get clobbered. "I'm cleaning the windows outside so I don't get sick to my stomach; it's just nauseating."

The Nasdaq Composite Index's 7.64% slide Monday brings its pullback from its record high on March 10 to 16.3%. But it's still up 3.8% for the year, and that's on top of last year's nearly 86% gain, so most investors are still sitting on nice profits. That said, the fact that the market seems to be going down even faster than it went up makes it tough on the nerves.

That goes double for investors who bet heavily on tech stocks with borrowed money, or buy on margin. Investors generally can borrow as much as 50% of the value of stocks they own. Once the purchase is completed, an investor's equity -- the current value of the stock less the amount of the loan-must be equal to at least 25% of the current market value of the shares. But some brokerage firms set even stricter standards. If falling stock prices reduce an investor's equity below the minimum margin requirement, a broker may require him or her to put up extra cash or securities, or sell some securities.

At Charles Schwab Corp., margin calls "were running about twice normal levels" at the end of last week, says spokesman Dan Hubbard. Given Monday's sharp Nasdaq decline, "it would be a fair assumption that tomorrow [Tuesday] we will be making a higher number of margin calls," he adds.

Margin debt at the nation's brokerage firms soared 48% from September to February, to a record $265.2 billion, and a lot of it appears to have been at online-brokerage firms. Regulators have worried that a sharp drop in stock prices could build on itself as leveraged investors are forced to meet margin calls.

Indeed, many tech-stock investors who profess faith in their stocks may be forced to sell anyway to meet margin calls.

David Gleitman, a podiatrist in Brooklyn, N.Y., glances at his hand-held organizer Monday morning when the Nasdaq was already down 239 points. "Ouch! I'm still ahead for the year, but it's still kind of painful watching this," he says. About half of Dr. Gleitman's $1.8 million portfolio is on margin. Even before Monday's selloff, he was already facing a margin call -- his broker was asking him to produce almost $100,000 to cover the losses in his account, an amount that he expected would grow by the end of the day.

"We'll sell some call [options] and see if I can forestall it by another day or so; if not, we'll just have to sell some positions. We've been in this type of situation before and we'll get out of it."

Ms. Stringham figures she has just enough in her account to avoid a margin call. But if Nasdaq keeps going down, she's counting on having some mutual funds she recently purchased become eligible for margin to give her a cushion.

Chris Pike, an accountant in Griffin, Ga., says, "I'm about 80% to 85% in technology right now, and last week I dropped about 12% in my portfolio. But I'm young -- I'm 28 -- and this is where the future is, so it's where my money is. But it's a little nerve-racking to see them drop as quickly as they have. But it's nothing we haven't seen over the last three or four years."

He plans on staying fully invested, he says, but notes that some people are a bit more strapped for cash. "I did have a client who was planning on pulling some money out [of stocks] to pay some taxes, and after last week's pullback he decided to file for an extension and leave his money in the stocks to try and wait for a recovery."

At Ameritrade Holding Corp., margin calls are up roughly 40% to 50% over average levels, says Kurt Halvorson, president of the online broker's clearing division. At Datek Online Holdings Corp., margin calls have "been high, but not what you wouldn't expect given market conditions," says Mike Dunn, a Datek spokesman.

Many online companies have in recent months tightened lending standards for many volatile technology stocks. Mr. Halvorson notes that Ameritrade now has higher margin requirements for 688 stocks, up from about 250 a year ago. Schwab's Mr. Hubbard notes that given the market's recent volatility, margin calls may be above average one day and below average the next.

The increased call volume hasn't been confined to discount brokers. At Merrill Lynch & Co., margin calls were "slightly higher" than usual last week, a spokeswoman says. Merrill said "the vast majority" of its clients "have equity well in excess of margin requirements."

One of the factors that probably set the stage for the recent tech-stock selling is the huge supply of new stock issues, both from initial public offerings and follow-on offerings, that have been hitting the market and are scheduled to continue. There have been 126 IPOs so far this year, compared with 69 in the same period last year, and 166 follow-on offerings, compared with 102 last year. But until now, the sinking Nasdaq has had no impact on underwriters' and companies' plans to press ahead and test the markets.

That may now be changing. Nine deals -- three IPOs and six follow-on offerings -- were supposed to price Monday night, but four of the six follow-ons and two of the three IPOS were postponed for at least one night. Earlier Monday, the IPO of Modus Media Inc., which had been expected this month, was postponed indefinitely, the company said, citing "market conditions." On March 8, the Westwood, Mass., company lowered the projected price range of its eight million-share IPO to $11 to $13 a share from $14 to $16 a share. It provides outsourcing services for the technology industry.

Last week Lynx Therapeutics, a gene-mapping company, withdrew its follow-on offering. Said Ed Albini, chief financial officer of Lynx, "It's been very volatile, and the conditions were unlike any we've seen before. We'd like to see a little more stability before we move ahead."

Even for investors who aren't forced to sell, the temptation is growing. "It's a very nerve-racking day," says Michael Epstein, a sales consultant in Sharon, Mass., who was updating his portfolio on the Internet regularly Monday. He bought Microsoft Corp. in 1988 at a split-adjusted $1 a share, and it now makes up 25% of his portfolio. After seeing the news on the breakdown of mediation efforts between Microsoft and the Justice Department, he was tempted to sell some. But he was persuaded not to when he read a bullish comment from a Microsoft analyst.

He finances his holdings partly on margin, but likes to keep that below 30% of his holdings' value to keep margin calls at bay. With the recent sell-off in prices, that has crept up to 35%. "I think you're going to see a recovery. If in about a week things stay depressed, I'm probably going to selectively pare my position in Microsoft."

As for Ms. Stringham, she earned 70% on her trading in 1998 and 11% last year, and she is just breaking even now. Three weeks ago, she bought what are known as Cubes -- a tradable unit trust that tracks the performance of Nasdaq's 100 stocks. About a week ago, with the stock at $120, she almost decided to sell "short" -- sell more than she had so as to profit from a price decline. But an investing guide she won for predicting where the Dow Jones Industrial Average would finish last year advised against shorting. Now, the stock is at $102.50. "If I sold today," she says, "it would be at a loss and I don't want to. I wish I'd shorted it."

But she keeps the stocks in her family's IRA separate from her trading. In the next 25 years, "I think those companies will do fine." she says.

-- Kara Scannell and Suzanne McGee contributed to this article.