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To: Dayuhan who wrote (16712)	4/9/2000 9:48:00 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

<<Imagine that the boy were from Haiti, or for that matter from a poor family from the Philippines. Would we hesitate for a moment before sending him back? Absolutely not. >> I have a little problem with your we as you don't live in the US of A.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (16712)	4/9/2000 10:37:00 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Steven, I understand your point, however, there is a difference between economic poverty of the type found in the Philippines, and communistic poverty found in Cuba today. In Cuba you become state property. And for all practical purposes are no different than a piece of Iron to be used by Castro as he see's fit. Castro believes he is God over the people of Cuba. And he infects every facet of life (even family life). Poverty, unfortunately exists in many places on earth, but complete iron fisted communist dictatorships poverty is found in very few. Another difference in the scenario you provide, is the underlying inference that he has no one here who can provide a decent life for him. I would submit, if a Hatian or Philippine family was willing to give their grandson a decent home. And either country was being run by a communist dictator mired in poverty. The custody issue would have went to court, like hundreds of other custody issues to be decided by a judge looking at both sides of the case. The fact that this is not being done, highlights the way in which politics has infected the process. To me, Bush may be a phony or he may not. However, I know Al Gore is a as phony a person as they come. I am willing to give George W the benefit of the doubt that he is expressing honestly held beliefs until I am shown otherwise. I do the same with most people I meet. I'm curious though, the evidence to me is overwhelming that Gore is a phony. What makes you so sure George W is? Furthermore, I saw George W speak up close recently within about 4 feet while he fielded a series of difficult questions posed by the audience. And I have to say, he didn't appear phony at all to me. He appeared genuine and straight forward. I have only my instincts to go on, instincts which I have used throughout my life to detect phony people with very good accuracy. Perhaps if you met him up close your impression would change. Michael p.s. I hope your son is handling the sudden death of his buddy as well as could be hoped for.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (16712)	4/9/2000 11:46:00 PM
From: haqihana	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Steven, Just remember. If you don't vote, you waive your right to bitch about the administration you get. ~H~

To: Dayuhan who wrote (16712)	4/10/2000 11:10:00 AM
From: MulhollandDrive	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

>>I don't think we should pretend to ourselves that concern for the "freedom" of Elian Gonzalez has anything to do with the case. It doesn't. Imagine that the boy were from Haiti, or for that matter from a poor family from the Philippines. Would we hesitate for a moment before sending him back? Absolutely not. Would we be sending him back to a future one scrap better than what he would face in Cuba? Absolutely not. The boy is nothing but a pawn in a political struggle between the unsavory thugs of Castro and the equally unsavory thugs of Miami's Cuban community, which is dominated to this day by the same mob that ran Cuba into the ground under Batista and left the door wide open for Castro.<< Of course he is being used as a "political pawn" by both sides. But the fact remains that according to the law as I understand it, once a Cuban has reached American soil, he is allowed certain legal benefits and his day in court to decide whether he can remain to become a U.S. citizen. You may disagree with that law and believe that it should apply to ALL political refugees or none at all, but for now the law stands. Of course, the rule has ALWAYS been with the current Administration, POLITCIAL EXPEDIENCE OVER COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW. There is absolutely no reason that I can see why this little boy should not have his day in court. As also his father. If the family court were to be able to hear both sides and decide in favor of the father, so be it. There could also be an expedited hearing. The courts have that discretion. Again, I ask you, why are the "skids being greased" to have this boy sent back to Cuba without a fair hearing? BTW, you know it would be fairly easy to determine who is "lying" about the Miami families involvement with Elian in the beginning. According to them, they received a phone call from Juan Miguel instructing them that his son would be arriving in Miami and asked for their assistance BEFORE the tragedy. Are they telling the truth? Are they lying? Why not produce the phone records? Were they waiting for their day in court? Will they be denied those rights? bp