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To: Neocon who wrote (77318)	4/10/2000 10:49:00 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

But there are multiple explanations for those- as far as I know God never came down and took credit- you only have witnesses to some sort of event- but you don't know what kind of event. I wouldn't dispute healings occur- but I think they occur so VERY rarely it probably isn't faith alone that gets you a healing - because lots more faithful people die without a healing. It's more efficient to accept that some natural phenomenon is at work rather than a Deity. Not that I rule out the deity- but signs and portents have a history of being unreliable. I think what we skeptics search for, is clarity.

To: Neocon who wrote (77318)	4/10/2000 11:02:00 AM
From: Father Terrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I know all about Lourdes, and other so-called healing spots. BTW, there are a great deal more than 20. Does that mean there is a god? No. It means that an objective phenomena exists, perhaps within our own minds' ability to heal the body, that is not yet understood. Many "proofs" throughout the Ages were employed to "prove" the existence of one deity or another. Among them: volcanoes, the sun, comets, lightning, earthquakes, tidal waves, flash floods, visions, etc. As science and objective, rational thought was able to amass and apply real knowledge these "prrofs" evaporated. There are many unexplainable phenomena today that I believe could be the basis for new sciences or expansions of present sciences (e.g. physics and chemistry). Among them are magnetic and gravitational anomalies, so-called "ghosts" which may have something to do with time-loops or a "recording" in time, "miraculous" healings, etc. The existence of these phenomena does not mean that there is a supernatural world, simply that we do not fully understand the phenomena yet and must work harder to quantify it. FT