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To: epicure who wrote (78100)	4/14/2000 3:05:00 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

No, actually mine don't, society's do. But since you have none, how would you know?

To: epicure who wrote (78100)	4/14/2000 3:39:00 PM
From: Rick Julian	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

Who codified the moral values upon which the vast preponderance of cultures have based their behaviors? I'm thinking religions, as cultural institutions, have been the keepers of the moral flame--manifesting the collective consciousness of humanity's moral sense (no matter its etiology) in the form of canon which has served as referents for people, be they atheists, agnostics, or believers.

To: epicure who wrote (78100)	4/14/2000 5:33:00 PM
From: haqihana	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

X, The fact that we DO think long and hard for ourselves is, exactly, why we choose religion as a basis for our daily lives and moral base. It takes a great deal of thinking of all the options to make such a choice, when we know that we are going to be attacked by people like you that have no balance in their life, or stability of character. ~H~

To: epicure who wrote (78100)	4/17/2000 1:34:00 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 108807

<<Moral views are learned and need not stem from religion although they certainly can.>> If I were to think for myself and take responsibility for moral conditions in the world, I might agree with the popular notion that everyone deserves a chance to be rehabilitated and reenter society after paying some debt to society for a crime. If I know of a murdering pediphile, I have no problem seeing that the person should be put to death. I believe in eternity and perfect justice. My religion tells me that when put to death this person would immediately face God in judgement and his victim would be present to witness against him. Of course, I understand that this is probably a parable of life after death for such a person. It seems very fair to the murderer and the victum. It also seems fair to me to be able to wipe my hands clean of the problem. Without such a belief I would never be able to support a death penalty because it is "me" who becomes responsible for the life and death decision on this criminal. For the sake of society and sanity, none of us can logically be responsible for the decision to kill someone else, even if that person is a killer. So without divine guidence we have to suffer them to live among us. But this is tragic because they appear rehabilitated and are released into society, often to repeat the offense....and we are responsible then for the injustice committed to and even death of an innocent.