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To: alankeister who wrote (10460)	4/19/2000 8:44:00 AM
From: SBHX	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 60323

alan, While I did find the OS on my casio E105 to be extremely buggy, the 16bit color is an incredible difference. I take a small collection (1000+) of my favourite photos in jpeg, shrink them to 320x240, put them into these SNDK 96MB CFs, run the slideshow program, and there's a portfolio of my best (blush blush) work so far. The app is Image Expert CE. The difference between 16bit color and 8 bit color in displaying photographs is well stunning. There's even enough space for lots of MP3s that I can play when I get bored at the pretty pictures. Sometimes, when the damn thing freezes, I do miss the old PALM days when everything was just so stable, but once you try 16bit color, you never go back. Conclusion : Casio E105-Very Good Hardware, terrible OS. PALM-Very good OS, terrible h/w. JMHO, don't flame me. I already missed out on the 1st day of this trampolined dead-cat bounce, so don't rub it in. eh!

To: alankeister who wrote (10460)	4/19/2000 9:17:00 AM
From: Ausdauer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 60323

To Alan Kiester: You attacked me with these remarks... Who are you trying to influence with these juvenile statements? Your credibility has hit bottom. Microsoft does a lot of things well but their versions 1 of anything is rarely much good. In my own defense I wanted to state that Pocket PC is the third iteration of their "CE" ("consumer electronics") software, not the first draft. And if you are suggesting I made these remarks in an effort to buoy up Microsoft's share price or to prosper from a short of Palm you are sorely mistaken. My motivation is pure and unbridled enthusiasm for SanDisk. Was that unclear? Additionally, there has been plenty of hype surrounding PALM and its recent IPO. It is this type of sensationalism that hurts individual investors, or at least those who chase IPO's. I offer to you the following post... Message 13030253 My biggest gripe with Palm is not their success, rather the fact that the Palm Pilot is overrated from a consumer perspective. It does things great, like PIM. I goes forever with a fresh battery. It rarely crashes. But, at the same time, it doesn't exploit the potential and excitement of portable computing. It lacks the quality interfaces with "cutting edge" consumer gadgets. You don't have to look far to see this. The release of the IIIc is just one example. A color LCD screen is great, but why leave out functionality like a CF slot that would allow an interface with a digital camera? I have tried to understand this maneuver. I really have. I think it speaks to the weakness of the operating system and the processor... Message 13042603 Message 12988406 The motivation behind my post last night was to emphasize my enthusiasm for Windows CE and Pocket PC. I think these are awesome OS's. I believe that the devices which utilize them are phenomenal. I own 2 of them. I believe Microsoft brings great value to the consumer with the multimedia functions in these devices. And Microsoft accomplishes this on a single platform and supports is with a plethora of software applications and hardware inserts that can be concealed within the device, not plastered on the outside or tethered to cables. Message 13385216 I am not the only person who is big on Pocket PC either. Nor am I insular in my beliefs about the future of palm computing (in a generic sense)... news.cnet.com "By the end of the year, Microsoft will go from being a relatively small player in the market to taking a significant amount of market share from Palm," said Michael Gartenberg, an analyst with Gartner Group. "It's going to be a huge success for the company." The handheld PC market is Palm's to lose. They are going to have a run for their money. I have posted substantive information on many occasions in the recent past which justifies my enthusiasm for Pocket PC. It is not only stuff I have plucked off the Internet, but also first-hand user experiences. Finally, I take pride in avoiding personal attacks. I take pride in posting factual information. And, most importantly, I take pride in expressing my enthusiasm about SanDisk in whatever form it may take. If I have been overly optimistic or even unrealistically optimistic in the past it is because I am overwhelmed by the potential of SanDisk. I am completely enthralled and besotten with SanDisk's products and the consumer products which they enable. I am undeterred by any remarks you may make or any personal affronts you may construct. If my credibility is shaken from your perspective, please feel free to block my posts in the future. At the end of the day the facts remain the same. Microsoft is going to have a go at Palm... ...and Palm is going to have their "kiester" handed to them. Now let's get on with the party. Ausdauer

To: alankeister who wrote (10460)	4/19/2000 10:01:00 AM
From: Tumbleweed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 60323

alankeister... ..it is possible to argue against someone without descending to personal attacks. Something that this subject thread has managed very well over the past years. And if you want to talk about credibility, make sure you get your facts right. "Pocket PC" is in fact Msofts 2nd or maybe even 3rd attempt at this space, not their first as you stated. I'm not quite as bullish about PPC as Ausdauer, but thats a different argument. I would much prefer a Palm with the Casio 105 feature set but bought a palm because of the size and weight (V5), e105 was too big for me. I wanted something I can put in my jacket pocket and not be reminded its there all the time by its weight. As for pocket PC, watch out, Linux is coming. The reason that matters? At this price of device, margin is vital, and using Linux instead could save $50 or more per device. So I do think Palm has its work cut out staying ahead, but dont discount first mover advantage. And the real threat to Palm, longer term, could come from devices using Linux not PPC. The jury is still out on that, though I did see reference to a press release that said that a lot of people on the PPC team had left Msoft recently, which doesn't bode well for their confidence in it. Joe

To: alankeister who wrote (10460)	4/19/2000 10:52:00 AM
From: Rocky Reid	Respond to of 60323

>>>>In short, Palm is going to have their ass handed to them. The writing is on the walls...<<<< Not unless the Pocket PC's can sell for less than $250. Price plays a very important role in this niche. I bought my Handspring Visor because it was a better buy than a Palm Pilot. A Visor Deluxe offered everything a Palm Pilot can do plus USB, a built-in mic, and a Visor module slot for about $100 LESS than a comparable 3Com Palm Pilot. 3Com Palm Pilots have since come down in price to compete more with Handspring, but the Visor still has a major edge in features. PocketPC is going to be very price sensitive. I wouldn't bet too much on its success right off the bat going up against the less expensive Palm platform. We'll see what teh retail price is of PcketPC, then we'll know if it will succeed or not- remember- $250 is the magic price.