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To: Paul Fiondella who wrote (31160)	4/22/2000 2:41:00 PM
From: mar8tin	Respond to of 42771

it is nice to get many view points. i was a novell distributor and had novell training schools. i was around when we had that "master stuffer" joe merangi. glad he is gone. dr. e. isn't a bad fellow. mglotz@aol.com.

To: Paul Fiondella who wrote (31160)	4/22/2000 3:27:00 PM
From: PJ Strifas	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

Online etiquette is clearly an issue within every community. I do not wish to extend this debate but merely to offer some insight intot the matter. I also want to qualify my post by saying that I take no sides in this debate. I have made my decisions on how to approach this type of issue some time ago (long before I joined up with SI). I have spent the last 7 years working "online" within a community as well as volunteering time, effort, energy and passion to becoming a "community leader". I truly believe in the "power/ability" of the internet to expand the horizons of every person in many ways. What I've come to understand is that the world does not have to think the same way I do. I just have to understand where I stand with my beliefs and be confident in them. The Internet is an open pipeline to information sources that is amazing and empowering. So too is the power/ability to "close down" those whom you deem to be clogging that pipe with detracting remarks/energy. There is a feature of EVERY community that allows YOU the member to CONTROL your experience. Within SI the feature is MOST obvious in the "Ignore this person" hyperlink below EVERY message posted. You do not need to stop posting to any particular thread and thereby limiting your experience because some person (or group) is detracting from the purpose of the discussion. As in every day life, we CHOOSE to interact with those we trust, respect and of course, those who do the same in return. There's a 2-way commuication of these ideals. We do not have to relinquish these "controls" in cyberspace. Never allow ANY person to frustrate you to the point that you do not participate in a forum that interests you. Take control, click the hyperlink and read on. Reminds me of that age old question: If a tree falls in the forest and no HEARS it, did it make a sound? Regards, Peter J Strifas

To: Paul Fiondella who wrote (31160)	4/22/2000 5:12:00 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42771

To Everyone On This Thread.... I'd like to forgive Paul Fiondella and anyone else who may have a problem with what I have communicated here. Without putting words in anyone else's mouth, I firmly believe in forgiving, trusting and risking while helping and serving others. Being "of service" to others requires that we create/generate TRUST, not withdraw TRUST from the world. For if I withdraw my trust from Paul or something else I am just givin up my energy to Paul or something else. Paul may decide to withdraw trust from the world in the form of cutting himself off from any association or consideration of the ideas and energies I share here. That's his right. He can claim any logic he wants for exiting from the trust channel that I leave open for him. We all have the power to do whatever we want. Paul can call me a "flake...used car salesman" and compare me to Al Sharpton all he wants. We live in a free country and I respect his right to feel anyway he wants to about me or anyone else. And quite frankly, if Paul has ponied up to a few Novell engineers who think the same way, then there's nothing I can do about that, too. Why would Paul want to withdrawl trust in such a negative, childish way? He obviously wants to refract/take/hurt/discredit what I have been sharing because either he doesn't understand or care to understand this message. The withdrawl of Paul's trust does not mean that I am not going to trust, share or risk sharing with others. This may all be "a game" to Paul, but it's life to me. And life is too precious and too short to "play games." All my cards are on the table Paul and others. And I am not short Novell. Either I'm long or I'm out. For being short is the antithesis of creating, building and growing. I am still here to help create, build and grow something. I'm not going anywhere Paul. Nor am I going to mud wrestle with you. Think of me being in a tree - ie. from a higher perspective which also requires humility. There is just too many people who play this game of withdrawing trust from the world. What they don't realize is that when they withdraw trust they are actually hurting themselves for in the process of withdrawing trust they, by definition, have to label, restrict, judge, hurt others. This makes one more opinionated, less forgiving, more bitter, less aware. I'm certainly not going to ignore Paul or anyone else. I'm here to create, grow and risk with others. For I see a New Mind evolving for this New Age: ie. one which believes in the value of helping to create and support pies that grow, not trying to clutch onto pieces of fixed pies that you think someone is going to steal from you. There are many people like Paul which come from this Old mindset. And all this talk of trust and energy, etc. just drives people like this crazy. The only thing they can do is resort to these childish attempts to discredit others. But there is a New Energy and New Mindset which is driving and powering the REAL Internet. People are learning to TRUST and RISK more and more. Why? Because there are all these new tools and services along with an explosion of data and information. And who's going to claim the energy and power that will come as more people create/extend more trust while taking more risks in the world? INDIVIDUALS..... All I can say to Paul is "Get use to it buddy." I understand why this offends people like Paul and I'm really sorry if they think this is "clogging up" this thread. Peter Strifas has a great suggestion: just click on the "ignore" button. I just hope that Paul and others "see" and "get" the longer term message behind this vision. For some really empowering things can happen with technology going forward if more people move in this direction. Please note, I will not shy away from these challenges. Peace. GO!!