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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lane3 who wrote (1632)4/22/2000 4:45:00 PM
From: JEB  Respond to of 9127
 
Makes sense. A boy belongs with his father (no matter how I feel about him having to go back to that prison). I do see this as very much political, however, in that Elian's name will now be used to promote normal relations with Cuba and I do not want to see that either.

Nor do I wish to spend good money helping Castro rebuild his army, which is where that money will go if relations are normalized. Let the boy go back but keep the boycott of Cuba in effect till that dictator is gone.



To: Lane3 who wrote (1632)4/22/2000 6:01:00 PM
From: WalleyB  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9127
 
Karen,

You're right about the politics weighing in more than principle. And on balance, all things being equal you are right in your view, if all things were equal.
That's where I differ with you, all things are not equal. It's not by accident that politics are at the center of the controversy.

If people were lining up at the shores of Cuba to get in this wouldn't be an issue. The fact that people are fleeing the island slave state is at the core of the matter; no one knows the facts of Cuban brutality better than the Cuban exiles.
You mention children in other circumstances, would you desire that a child of a mother who was shot trying to escape a dictatorship be given back to the country of origin - and a father with seemingly open arms? This conflict could have easily been similar, in fact its not that dissimilar. Castro has killed great numbers of people feeling his country because they can't stand the fear and lack of freedom.

There is enough uncertainty about what the father wants as opposed to what he says he wants to make me believe that this matter of custody is not easily decided. There are also plenty of situations where the father does not get his child for other reasons that politics have nothing to do with, both domestic and national. In fact there exists precedence for children receiving asylum in this county despite the opposition from other governments and family members - just because of the nature of that government's policies. I'll have to research it if you ask for evidence I don't have the info in front of me, but it was covered just the other day by some commentators.

I do not believe Juan was a "Father" to Elian in the sense that we view it. Yes he fathered him, but he was estranged from his ex-wife and he had little to do with him until Castro demanded the boy's return.

If politics have entered into the debate it is Casrto who has seen fit to interject them. Other are merely responding to it.

It is over however. Hope is vanquished. I wouldn't be surprised if before the court hearing takes place that Elian is whisked off to Cuba with his father et al. And should they stay to take the chance that the court rules against Cuba then Elian will be coached well to accept his fate and ask to go home. Call me biased, but I don't accept at face value anything communists say to portray our values in thier hearts.

I do appreciate the tone of your response, Karen. It was respectful and reasoned. I just don't reason the same way.

regards

Jim



To: Lane3 who wrote (1632)4/22/2000 9:06:00 PM
From: Master (Hijacked)  Respond to of 9127
 
"... Does anyone remember the TV movie about the woman who kidnapped her child back from the father who had
kidnapped her and taken her to the Middle East, Jordan or Syria, as I recall? ..."


Good point, (good perspective)!!!

It wasn't just a TV movie, it happens in real life and quite often I might add.