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Politics : About that Cuban boy, Elian -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: PartyTime who wrote (1862)	4/23/2000 12:55:00 PM
From: nealm	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

Very impassioned. I'm sure Castro would be happy to ablige to your suggestions ... on his terms. My passion is freedom. Folks, where are your hearts? When Clinton was elected our hearts were hardened. Events have shown our fears to be valid. Our laws don't appear to be his. The matter of Elian has nothing to do with Clinton; has nothing to do with Castro; has nothing to do with Reno; has nothing to do with tv spin pulpiteers; has nothing to do with Little Havana; has nothing to do with INS/Border control agents; has nothing to do with images from photographs. American fathers get shafted all the time in this country on custody and visitation matters with their children. So what was diffrent about this situation? I would propose that this was ONLY about all the people you reference. Specifically it was about Castro discrediting Elian's dead mother to the 11 million enslaved Cubans, and Clinton and Reno enforcing a secret agreement with said Cuban government. OT: I saw Castro Saturday on Foxnews. He speech was about the Bay of Pigs. On Sunday morning he declared a one day truce but then said that tommorrow the struggle will continue ...

To: PartyTime who wrote (1862)	4/23/2000 1:50:00 PM
From: JEB	Respond to of 9127

Castro is a ruthless dictator. He's not allowed on TV because he'd upstage Clinton...bad. Your post says politics doesn't belong, then you want to bring in politics. Keep the embargo.

To: PartyTime who wrote (1862)	5/13/2000 2:19:00 PM
From: Jon Tara	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

What does Elian want? That is the question that nobody is asking. Without making prejudgement, I must nevertheless point-out that when Elian was taken, he was reassured that he was not being sent back to Cuba - only to be with his father. Does Elian think that he will be able to stay with his father here? Does he even know that he will be sent back to Cuba? One would hope that the court will make this clear to him, and allow him to influence the decision. And one would hope that, having been given these reassurances that he was not going back, that he will be able to grasp what the court is telling him. If there is anything outside of the boy's wishes and ultimate best interest that should be considered, it is the fact that his mother gave-up her life in an attempt to bring him here. How will the boy be affected by knowing that his mother died in vain? That she died to bring him here, only to be sent back by the system she thought was his best chance for a future? I can't say what Elian wants. Perhaps he doesn't know himself, and it must be decided on other factors. I know what I'd likely want if I were him, thought - to stay here with my father. The ultimate best outcome - though I doubt very much that it will happen - would be for the father to stay here, giving Elian a real family while at the same time honoring what his mother died for. Frankly, I don't think it matters much to his welfare whether he stays or goes. It seems he has people who love him in either place. Whether he wants it or not, unfortunately, he is going to live a rather public life from here on out in either place - the decision won't affect that. The case is high-profile enough that I doubt anything "bad" will happen to him either way. If he stays, he likely will feel guilty about leaving his father. If he goes, he likely will feel guilty about the death of his mother. Sounds like about equal damage. (Only his father can take action to avoid both.) I think the boy should be allowed to choose.