PROLIFE, you have just posted:
<<<<<30 days: Child has grown 10,000 times to 6-7 mm (1/4") long. ...
40 days: Heart's energy output is 20percent of adult's.
8 weeks:... 3cm (1 1/8") and weighing a gram (1/30th oz.) >>>>>
Thank you for going to the trouble of posting this pamphlet.
I strongly object to this statement by you, and shall tell you why you should retract it:
<<<SO....from a purely narrowly defined point.. E gets to keep her money...and although I could not find the direct scientific quote proving that one statement, I will not apologize for making the statement, as it is shown that
the young heart is proportionately larger, working harder, etc.>>>
And the excerpts I posted from your message will tell you why I object.
You have again created some misimpressions. I have come to believe that you are in a state similar to an hypnotic one, and are innocent of intentional lies. (Though I am unsure of this, due to your earlier comment to the effect that you believed that lying about this subject was acceptable because it was "to SAVE lives!")
The statement you made here during our early exchanges, which I declared was a lie that would end up being rationalized ONLY by postulating what I called either a "humungous fetus" or a "teeny adult," has, by your just-provided statements, been shown to be exactly that.
PROLIFE, listen, please. This is important: The information in your pamphlet tells the lie, and at the same time, provides the evidence that it is a lie-- though without mentioning explicitly the necessarily- if embarrassingly-postulated giant fetus or teeny man.
Why should they mention it, if people like you believe it, and are moved by it, and contribute your time and money to their cause, without the absurd necessary rationalization ever being spelled out? Spelling it out would make many who, like you, found it moving, see its deep dishonesty.
I believe what you have done is focus, in understandable relief, on the simple statement that the heart of a fetus is larger in relation to its total body size than is the heart of an adult and beats faster (110 vs 70 or so?), and have wrapped that statement around your mind cozily, reading into it something that you wish were there, but isn't-- that it justifies the lie your 18 year old lying pamphlet told.
Let me use the information you provided and that I excerpted above.
But first: PROLIFE, you wrote to Edward and me, " Will you take the time to read it?"
You can see that I took the time to read it and to understand it. That is a courtesy I afforded to every post you addressed to me. You, on the other hand, informed me repeatedly that you would not read more than the first sentence or short paragraph of my responses to you.
I am asking you what you asked me: Will you take the time to read it? It is entirely based on your own material.
You will have to read it carefully. It will show you that your pamphlet lied in saying
<<<40 days: Heart's energy output is 20percent of adult's>>> -- unless they postulate exactly what I claimed they'd have too-- the... yep.
1) Your link tells us that at 30 days, only 10 days before the day your pamphlet promises a heart with an "energy output" 20% of an adults, the fetus is 1/4 inch long. That isn't the heart, it's the whole fetus. The heart takes up more of the fetus than it would in an adult, but that leaves us, still, ten days before your 40 days, with the heart representing a portion of something 1/4 inch long.
2) Okay, so ten days before the 40 days, the heart is a part of something 1/4 inch long. I assume you are not going to claim that you believe that something that size (a portion of 1/4 inch) would be "outputting" that energy. So let's see where the next specific marker they give us is... Here it is: 8 weeks:... 3cm (1 1/8") and weighing a gram (1/30th oz.)
Yes, it tells us that at 56 days (16 days after the 40 day mark and 26 days after the 30 day, 1/4 inch mark!) the (whole) fetus is 1 1/8 inches long and weighs 1/30th of an ounce.
That's one thirtieth of an ounce, 16 days after 40 days.
So let's estimate, given what they tell us, as best we can, how large the fetus is at forty days.
No, wait! Instead, let's just go to the famous U of P link you earlier pretended proved that lie.
We learn there that at 6 weeks (42 days, 2 days later that 40) the (whole) fetus is 10 -12 mms. That's about a half inch long. At 40 days, the fetus is under a half inch long. (Wasn't it 4/10 inch?)
We know the fetal heart your pamplet claims "outputs 20% of the energy of an adult's" is the heart of a fetus the totality of which is about 4/10th inch long-- and now let's try to calculate the weight of that fetus at 40 days, knowing that at 56 days it weights 1/30th of an ounce.
This has to be rough: 40/56 = about .71
Take 71% of 1/30 of an ounce, and you get... if my math is correct, and I'm not a mathematician, so feel free to correct me... that at 40 days, the total fetus weighs approximately .023643 of an ounce.
Now we have this picture:
The total fetus at 40 days is less than a half inch long and weighs .023643 of an ounce.
Now let's postulate a proportion of that for for the heart that is supposed to "output 20% of the energy of an adult's."
We know from the scientific link you provided (as opposed to the one with at least one lie in it) that "the heartsize to bodysize ratio is nine times greater in the fetus than in the infant."
I really don't know what ratio the heart of an infant has to the size of its body. But I'll take a guess, and if you would like to make a different estimate, I will go with yours.
Let's say that an infant's heart constitutes 1/20, or 5% of its body. Is that okay? I suspect it's overestimated.
And let's multiply that 5% by 9, and say that the heart constitutes 45% of the weight of the total fetus.
Now take 45% of the weight of the 40 day fetus, which is approximately .023643 of an ounce.
That tells us:
The heart of the fetus at 40 days weighs approximately .010639 of one ounce.
That's about 1/100th of an ounce.
I think I won't go through the same calculations for length. It's a fraction of an inch for the whole fetus, and a smaller fraction than that for just the heart.
Now here we are again:
Your pamphlet claims that those heart cells weighing 1/100th of an ounce "output" 20% of the energy of an adult's.
And you know the only way that can be a non-lie?
The way I said:
If you blew the fetus up to make it huge...
or
if you shrunk the adult down to make it the size of the fetus.
I was right about the nature of the lie.
It has been told for 18 years to fool people like you, who believe what they are told by those to whom they've given dominion over their minds, and don't examine the facts.
It seemed so significant to you that -- you screamed it, remember?! -- the 40 day fetus outputted that much energy -- gosh, almost as much as an adult! -- that you posted it here, as an anti-abortion argument. You "screamed" it at us, so moved were you by that lie.
PROLIFE, I have tried to explain to you over and over, at great length, that you were lied to-- with a clever construct that omitted the logic by which the lie was manufactured, but which could be figured out with common sense.
And you come back here, as though you had understood nothing, nothing, and write "SO....from a purely narrowly defined point.. E gets to keep her money."
You owe me a retraction and an apology.
You proved I was right with the very document you meant to do the opposite with, and it was not "narrowly defined." A fetus's heart is proportionately larger than an adult's, and beats about twice as fast, but while that is an interesting enough statement
this statement is a lie unless you stipulate a humungous fetus or teeny adult:
40 DAYS ------- FETUS'S HEART OUTPUTS 20% OF ENERGY OF ADULT!
That is not "narrow." It is a blanket fact.
The 40 day fetus's heart weighs about 1/100th of an ounce. The feeble little flicker of firing neurons we call a "heart beat" in that 1/100th ounce of tissue WOULD "output," I am willing to believe, 20% of the energy of an adult's under one postulated condition:
If... yep.
PROLIFE, you were manipulated. Into shouting, so deeply were you moved by the idea of it, an absurd lie.
That is one statement only you are being fed. Look at its nature, and draw a conclusion about what you can believe from that source.
I request that assure me that you have read what I went to considerable trouble to write here, and that you retract your statement that implies there was truth, broad or narrow, in your statement and the pamphlet's (absent the two postulates I have given.)
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