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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (103016)	4/28/2000 2:25:00 PM
From: Tony Viola	Respond to of 186894

Ten, Rob, this might be a good summation of what could be the best value Intel attains out of Itanium, the first IA-64 chip. (Not sure I agree with his corollary to the first Pentium or Pentium Pro, though). Tony boards.fool.com

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (103016)	4/28/2000 4:08:00 PM
From: Rob Young	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Tench, Maybe I wasn't sure what your question was as you had Foster and Wildfire in the same paragraph. This question is much more straight forward: "With all due respect, Rob, I don't think you answered my question. What happens if 4-way Foster proves to be more powerful than a 4-way Alpha server in 2001?" I see a window here where that happens, but that is happening today too (4 processor Xeon/whatever is doing better versus Alpha on tpcs). However, in a 2001 timeframe EV7 ships (maybe/hopefully) with on-chip L2, on-chip network switch (CPU to CPU), on-chip memory switch at a projected 1.5 GHz. Pretty even race if Foster has all those features too. In other words, Alpha gains more than parity and decreased cost by leaving out complicated chipsets (we beat that horse a while back) and maybe even L3 (jury is still out on that, a periodic fishing question to comp.arch "What about L3 for 21364 aka EV7"? Since it comes up so often, one wonders if L3 is even necessary with on-chip memory switch and RDRAM, seems doable to negate L3.) But think about that for a while and dredge up the IA64 whitepaper: digital.com If you check out page 30, you'll note Linley points out McKinley doesn't even have on-chip network nor on-chip memory switches... So that raises interesting issues... among them that Foster will not only outperform Merced but also give McKinley a run for its money (with on-chip trickery). If Foster lacks these features, won't do well against EV7 and a bonus with EV7 should allow for very good server prices by leaving out complicated chip-sets and L3 (conjecture, but reasonable). Since McKinley is feature poor compared to EV7, how do you suppose it will do performance-wise versus EV7? Rob