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To: Lane3 who wrote (3781)	4/30/2000 7:42:00 PM
From: chalu2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

There is a certain conservative fringe that likes to feed this paranoia, exulting as heroes those who defy any "governmentl intrusion" into their lives, especially when the "victims" provoke law enforcement to take action. You're quite right, I haven't had law enforcement bust unto my home, I don't personally know anyone who has had this happen to them, and I don't stay up nights worrying that police will be breaking my windows any time soon. I do wonder whether this play on people's fears is being orchestrated now because the Democrats are in the White House, and charged with enforcing the laws. Makes for a great political issue. You want to get real scared of how far a President can go in violating civil liberties? Read the Nixon tapes--there you have a sitting President actively obstructing justice, trying to raise hush money, bombing the foreign nations of Laos and Cambodia in direct defiance of Congress, and using federal agents and agencies to investigate and harasss U.S. citizens the President had placed on an "Enemies List." He made Clinton look like Mother Theresa.

To: Lane3 who wrote (3781)	4/30/2000 7:47:00 PM
From: Jim S	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 9127

Karen, it's your attitude, and those like it, that scares me personally, not the INS. It bothers me that in these good economic times, people seem willing to give up their freedoms. Like a horse that lets itself get caught for a carrot, it seems that people can't think beyond the immediate future. Read the Fourth Amendment. There is supposed to be a process by which the guarantees of the Bill of Rights are taken from someone. Not by decree of the king or his minions. The idea of "probable cause" is a longstanding protection of common people from the powers of the state. If the articles of the Bill of Rights are trashed, one by one as they are now, we will soon be under authoritarian rule. At least, that's the direction we're headed, and the slope is slippery. jim