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To: Rusty Johnson who wrote (23933)5/3/2000 5:48:00 PM
From: Charles Tutt  Respond to of 24154
 
Thanks. That's one of the best articles I've seen recently.



To: Rusty Johnson who wrote (23933)5/3/2000 8:12:00 PM
From: Daniel Schuh  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 24154
 
Rusty, the "chinese wall" takes me back to the article noted in my profile, sitting there lo these many years. The "Chinese wall" was amended to "flying in formation" by Ballmer long ago. I suppose there might have been some attempt to resurect the "chinese wall" line at trial, somewhat like the revisionist history on Microsoft inventing the browser and Bill being on top of the internet all along, like I said I don't follow this stuff quite the way I used to. Anyway, some history on the "chinese wall", from around.com

The flow of inside information will remain a critical issue for the antitrust investigators. In the 1980's, Microsoft executives often spoke of a "Chinese wall" between the systems group, responsible for DOS and Windows, and the applications group, responsible for the programs that ran in those operating environments. Ballmer himself once said there was "a very clean separation" -- "It's like the separation of church and state." Competitors were dubious, knowing that all neurons at Microsoft led to Bill Gates; these days Microsoft executives take a different tack. They deny that the concept of a Chinese wall ever existed. They admit that their own developers sometimes get an edge in knowing how to take advantage of new Windows features before the knowledge spreads to competitors, but they insist that the knowledge does spread sooner or later?because it is in their interest to make sure that everyone writes for Windows?and they say that's as level as the playing field needs to be.

The final blow to the applications market came with the emergence of "office suites"?packages of word processors, spreadsheets and data bases bundled together. Again, Microsoft saw the opportunity first and made sure that its package was more tightly integrated than its competitors' could be. It announced a new standard, called OLE (for "object linking and embedding"), that allowed, say, a word processor document to display and even work with a spreadsheet. Again competitors charged, and continue to charge, that Microsoft manipulates the OLE specifications to its advantage-changing them to suit its applications programs. Almost as an afterthought, Microsoft also added its not well regarded Powerpoint presentation-graphics software to the package, effectively cutting the price to zero and transforming that business over night. Though transforming may not be the perfect word. "Microsoft didn't transform the market, but strangled it," says Karl Wong, director and principal analyst at Dataquest, a research company.


"Chinese wall", "flying in formation", it's all the same in Microsoftese. When Ballmer was talking about "church and state", he left out the part about Bill being the Ayatollah in the Microsoft theocracy, I think.

Cheers, Dan.



To: Rusty Johnson who wrote (23933)5/9/2000 5:48:00 PM
From: Rusty Johnson  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 24154
 
Gates wants it both ways

Larry Magid

Upside Today

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Bill Gates, writing in the May 15 issue of Time magazine, states that Microsoft (MSFT) "could not have created the Windows operating system if we had been prohibited from developing Microsoft Office."

He goes on to describe the "symbiotic nature of software development," arguing that "Windows and Office -- working together and drawing on each other's features and innovations -- have improved personal computing for millions."

Wait a minute, Bill. Is this coming from the chairman and founder of the same company which, for years, claimed that there was a Chinese wall between Microsoft's application developers and its operating system team?

Microsoft has long been under attack for alleged cross-fertilization between its Office team and its Windows developers. Other software vendors, for many years, have complained that Microsoft applications developers enjoyed an advantage over the competition because they could include hooks directly into the operating system. Microsoft once denied that charge, but Gates has now figured out a way to turn an accusation of anti-competitiveness into a customer benefit.

"This remark constitutes an admission that Microsoft leveraged its operating system dominance to become the dominant vendor of office suites," said author and computer consultant Brett Glass. I call it the utmost in newspeak. Gates wants to have it both ways.