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To: The Philosopher who wrote (3564)	5/4/2000 9:04:00 AM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13062

That gives Elian's father the right to live where and how he wants to. Let them choose for themselves and their children. We're talking about a communist dictatorship. What choices does Juan Miguel Gonzalez have down there? The boy is going to a place where he will be a prisoner. Why would a libertarian favor that?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (3564)	5/4/2000 1:29:00 PM
From: Daniel W. Koehler	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13062

Chris The 11th circuit said that Elian can appeal for asylum on his own. As temporary custodian of Elian, Lazzarro initiated the asylum request on Elian's behalf. You are correct that the Miami relative have no rights to speak for the child. Elian's case and the fact pattern is not analogous to "relatives of children all over the world sueing(sic) to get children taken away from their parents" .It is a case that the divorced mother sought asylum in a free country and the father remained in a totalitarian country. The precise question here is "what is in the best long term welfare of the child"? Is it liberty with relatives or condemnation to grow up a slave of the State with his father? A slave cannot "live and let live" because the State says he has no ownership of his own body, which is the prime tenet of libertarianism. So before you condemn me for being unlibertarian, I suggest you examine the principles in this case. A major libertarian issue is that free people should err on the side of liberty, not slavery. To deny Elian asylum in favor of his father is to place slavery over liberty, IMO. <<Unless you believe that libertarian values include the right of cousins and great uncles to try to take a child away from his father if they don't like the political choices the father makes. Boy, would you step in a can of worms there!>> Come on, Chris. You imply that Juan Gonzales actually has any political choice in Cuba! Who's kidding whom? Ciao, Daniel