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To: Don Lloyd who wrote (3571)	5/4/2000 2:02:00 PM
From: Daniel W. Koehler	Respond to of 13062

Don Very well put! Daniel

To: Don Lloyd who wrote (3571)	5/4/2000 11:43:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 13062

I don't associate Libertarianism with refraining from making judgments. I DO associate it with refraining from making jusgments about things I have no personal or objective knowledge of. And I DO associate it with not deciding that because we ourselves don't want to live in the society our government tells us Cuba is, that therefore we know that Juan Gonzales must not want to live there, and that Elian will necessarily not have a life which as personally fulfilling to him. Unless, of course, you believe that our government and press are dedicated to pure objective truth and would NEVER lie to or mislead the American people.

To: Don Lloyd who wrote (3571)	5/4/2000 11:49:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13062

One of the fundamental tenets of Libertarianism is that an individual's rights are not to be interfered with, Does that include Juan Gonzales's rights? And if you are going to speak of Elian's rights independent of his father, tell me this: at what age do YOU believe a child is capable of making rational life decisions for him- or her-self? Is a two year old who can scrawl an X on a piece of paper and call it a signature entitled to make life decisions for herself? I think my kids are pretty bright, and their grades in college tell me that they have learned to succeed in that environment which people generally associate with brightness, but when they were six I can damn well tell you they did NOT know what was best for them. I did. I made those decisions for them. I have never seen a tenant of Libertarianism which says that six year olds should be allowed to decide where they want to life, with whom, what they should eat, when they should go to bed, etc. Elian is a tool. He has not asked for asylum. He is incapable of making a rational decision about asylum. He is capable of being bribed by consumerism. He is capable of being coached into wagging his finger on TV. But he's not capable of making the decision on his own in his best interests. And the Cuban exile community in Miami sure as H isn't capable of making a rational decision about ANYTHING affecting Cuba.