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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (109341)	5/4/2000 3:21:00 PM
From: Pravin Kamdar	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 1578902

Jim, The Thunderbird/KX133 issue proves that AMD is not perfect. This is really the only bad news that we have had in a great while. It is bad for the PC enthusiasts that would have wanted to drop slot A Thunderbirds into their KX133 boards, but I think it may be even worse for all the mother board makers that will be stuck with unsold KX133 based inventory when the classic Athlon supply dries up. And, it is still worse for AMD. They were already capacity constrained at Fab 25. Now, in order to sell Thunderbird, they will have to shift processor capacity to make more Irongates. I'm not sure how they will do this when they were already sold out for the quarter. I do not understand how VIA did not have one of the Thunderbird samples to test the KX133 before it was released. AMD had Thunderbird samples at the beginning of the year. This should not have happened, but it is not disastrous. We need the KZ133 ASAP, so AMD can concentrate on producing high margin processors. ($91 now!) Pravin.

To: Jim McMannis who wrote (109341)	5/4/2000 3:57:00 PM
From: Y. Samuel Arai	Respond to of 1578902

Jim: re:If you were buying an Athlon mobo today would you get a 750 based board or KX-133 based one? I'd get a KX-133 system with an overclocked Athlon, like the 750mhz system OC'ed to 850mhz with 1/2 cache divider available from places like outsideloop.com, and not worry about upgrading the CPU-only later. That should be good for at least a year of high-end gaming (or whatever). I have an MSI-6167 based 500Mhz Athlon OC'ed to 750mhz (from outside loop) and its rock solid...runs 24/7 doing rc5 calculations, web stuff, programming/databases, and gaming. You could go with a 750-based system and "hope" for a slotket upgrade later...but by the time you're ready to upgrade, you'll also probably want DDR-RAM (or even QDR-RAM), 760 chipset (or VIA equivalent...or better), and a Mustang 1.5Ghz system or something... So I guess what I'm saying is get the best that you want and can afford now...and something which you think will be useable for a good 1 year, and not worry too much about the upgradeability... newer/better/cheaper stuff comes out too quickly to worry too much about it. Sam