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To: Daniel W. Koehler who wrote (3581)	5/5/2000 3:57:00 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 13062

I thought you didn't have any objective knowledge about how things are in Cuba? I knew a fair amount about it then, we studied it thoroughly in HS civics as it was happening. Sounds like Castro was pleased to ship his own "citizens/prisoners" out of their country. If Canada offered to take all the dregs of our prison system, I would be first in line to offer them places on the trains. It's my bet that 99% of the people on death row would be delighted to be shipped to a country that didn't have the death penalty. And if you offered the homeless on the streets of any big city a chance to go to a country that had a welfare system that would give them food, shelter, clothing, and medical treatment all free, many would go. Does that make us a bad country because these people would flee if they had a chance? Let's not forget that Australia was populated with exported criminals from England. Are you saying England was a slave country because of that? Your apology for Cuba, a pariah in the world economy and a political slave camp, Boy, you sure love the right wing jargon. You've bought right into it. an old lefty fellow traveler from of the 30's. Sounds like you've not lost a step since then. this "old lefty fellow traveller" happens to be an official in the old lefty Republican party. Sorry to prick your self-inflated balloon. It's just that I prefer to observe and think for myself, not let Helms, Burton, and the Miami Cuban lobby do it for me. But, what do I know, having never lived in the worker's paradise of Cuba,the jewel of the Greater Antilles. From what I can see, not a hell of a lot. But stick around, there's hope for you; sit yourself down at my feet for a while and it's likely you can learn. <bg> (Boy, you walked right into that one, didn't you!)

To: Daniel W. Koehler who wrote (3581)	5/6/2000 11:30:00 PM
From: Don Lloyd	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 13062

Daniel - worldnetdaily.com "...The case of Elian is, in some regards, a hard one and its proper resolution called for real prudence and careful consideration. I deeply believe that decent, responsible fathers have the right to decide where their children live. With Elian's mother gone, it is absolutely the right of that father to decide whether his child is going to be with him or not, provided that his decision can be made in freedom. There's just one problem with Cuba. No decision taken by a parent in Cuba can be made in freedom because no parents in Cuba live in freedom. That's why Elian's case is a dilemma -- a tragic one. The simplistic myth that Elian is merely going back to his father is precisely that -- a myth, i.e., a lie. For anyone considering the case, with attention to the actual situation, the real tragedy is that we cannot restore Elian to his father unless his father leaves Cuba. Cuba is a communist totalitarian society; one of the few places on the face of the earth where they thoroughly implement the concept of Communism. This means Cuban children are not raised by their parents, they are raised by the Castro Communist totalitarian state...." Regards, Don