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To: greenspirit who wrote (18376)	5/7/2000 7:00:00 PM
From: E	Respond to of 769667

I appreciate your going to that trouble, Michael, and will read your post, going to the links, and respond substantively. You did not, as near as I can see, answer this question: <<Did you ask them to stop? Ever? Or is it only I you felt should stop?>> And you say, of the words and behavior of your friends, "I don't believe they all were [decent]." And were all of mine indecent? Surely not! Do you know that I have had a four year history at and have been frequently noted as consistently civil, by you among others? I wonder why this situation is different.

To: greenspirit who wrote (18376)	5/7/2000 7:19:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

>And according to your posts, wrong=liar. Far from it. And I believe any person willing to look at the issue fairly and objectively would agree.< Nuh-uh. Being wrong wasn't the issue. Deliberately promoting bizarre horsedung to advance a political opinion, the covering with stuff like "The information has been out there for years." ...this isn't inaccuracy, it is Newspeak. "Love is hate. War is peace." And that is what E called vile and creepy. She's right. The parallels to Big Lies such as those promoted by the German propaganda organization in the '30s is striking. The result of that was six million murders. E was using strong terms, but she was calling a spade a spade. And this is from me, until previously a "neutral", looking at the issue objectively and fairly. (Well I certainly think so.) The anti-abortion movement is being harmed by the spoutings of such as PROLIFE. There is a point at which loyalty must be subordinated to honor. When you do not question your loyalty to people who are behaving dishonorably (and imo PROLIFE persisted in that), you place your own honor at risk. Unnecessarily. There is nothing dishonorable in being opposed to abortion - but surely it can be done with real facts, not hysterical fabrications whose primary virtue is repetition! If it seems that I am defending a friend - I am. But that is not my only motive. I see a world of difference between calling someone's words and acts "vile and creepy" - and characterizing a person as, say, "a harpy". I seek to see some rules of engagement restored. I love a good argument ... but I frown at verbal spearchucking. <EDIT> While I was composing this, I see that possible terms for a cessation of postilities are being framed. I don't want this post to obstruct that.