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To: Neocon who wrote (18511)	5/8/2000 2:06:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769668

OK, my memory is shot ... what 5% figure? A 40-day embryo (and those forty days are counted from the start of the last period, so it's really maybe twenty-five days post-fertilization!) has only a few hundred cells destined to become the heart. If their energy output was more than a millionth of the final energy output of an adult heart at rest ... I'd be amazed. Frankly I don't think there is even a fair way to measure that sort of energy figure.

To: Neocon who wrote (18511)	5/8/2000 7:43:00 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769668

There are errors, and there is propaganda. The latter is often distinguished from "errors" by its mendacity and the political or ideological benefit redounding to its disseminators. <<<Actually, I find the 5% figure amazing enough.>>> Then you misunderstand it. It would be amazing if you thought it meant that the few hundred cells in the 40 day embryonic heart had an energy "output" of 5% of an adult hearts. It would be AMAZING. But that is not the case, and there is nothing amazing about the facts.... (First, btw, the figure for energy output is 1/5, or 20%, not 5%.) IF you blew up the 1/30 of an ounce 40 day embryo into a BIG GIANT THING THE SIZE OF AN ADULT HUMAN BEING, and we are talking humungous here... Yes, even IF you blew the eeentsy weentsy thing up by a factor of about 96,000, STILL, even then, when it would be a 200 pound embryo lying there on the floor.... still, that two hundred pound embryo... would have a "heart"... that "outputted"... 20% of the energy of an adult heart. So it isn't an "understandable" substitution of 1/20 for 20%. It is FIRST a substitution of a BIG GIANT FETUS for the actual 1/30 oz. one, and THEN the claim that the hypothetical BIG GIANT FETUS's cardiac cells' energy output, which would be 20% of that of an adult human being's, was the energy output of the real 1/30 oz. embryo. And somebody who knew the figures did it. And it was very clever. And of course effective. Look, you apparently believed, even after all this, that the embryonic energy-output figure was 5% of that of an adult heart, not of 1/5 of the strength of an adult heart if the adult was shrunk to 1/96,000th of his normal 200 pounds! NB MICHAEL: This information all courtesy of the two sites posted by PROLIFE, the first, the U of P site, posted by PROLIFE expressly and deceptively to imply that it confirmed the 40% figure. Quote from PROLIFE: "<<<Oh, by the way, the above is from the University of Pennsylvania. Any questions class?>>> In fact, there is not, on that site, even any information that could be mistaken for that. Here's one referencing PROLIFE's own words, which are rather striking, "Any reason I would have to lie?? Just to SAVE lives??" Message 13525410 Here's the original 40 day embryo-analysis post. Message 13523310