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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (62)5/11/2000 4:06:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543
 
<...the organizer is very blatant about the intentions to influence Globalstar stock and hurt investors> This even looks a bit defamatory to me. The intention is to help investors who are people who buy stocks with a view to earning a return on that investment by selling desirable products and services.

Short sellers are NOT investors. They are speculators. Neither is it my intention to hurt short sellers. It's my intention to remove the huge short position and return Globalstar's share price to a sensible position.

It's up to individuals to act according to what they see as sensible for their investments.

I've offered suggestions and people can act if they like. Their action is totally legal and it's absurd for the Wall Street Journal to say otherwise.

Several people have already told me they have moved their stock.

Why shouldn't they?

I have no intention to "hurt investors".

Meanwhile, gotta go...

Mqurice



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (62)5/11/2000 4:18:00 PM
From: DWB  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 543
 
My, my, my...

What a fine little ants nest you've kicked here M. Who would have thought that so much commotion could be generated on an internet message board, for a stock that most people (judging from the recent share price performance) think isn't worth the price of admission to a first-run movie...

I got a real kick out of the California guy who thinks it's all illegal. Somebody needs to find out how many shares he's already shorted... How can it be illegal to tell your broker to move your shares to your cash account? They are our shares aren't they? When a stock market pundit goes on CNNfn and says he'd recommend company X as a "strong buy" or a "short candidate", does he think that's illegal? Is it just because we're talking about it that it's illegal? Or maybe that we picked a date? There's no conspiracy here... it's as out-in-the-open as can be... presidential elections in the US are more clandestine than this...

I'm glad to see your name (allegedly) and location (allegedly) got spelled right... too bad she didn't get a few lines in on the Microsoft ruling, or the sheep meat support as well...

DWB
Gsters of the world, Unite! Just not in California, 'cause it might be illegal there...



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (62)5/11/2000 5:49:00 PM
From: Jon Koplik  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 543
 
Ray Dirks used to run ads in the WSJ specifically mentioning his "short busters club."

So what the *#$! is the big deal about Maurice discussing the same thing ?

(I guess the big difference is that Maurice did not pay for an ad in the WSJ).

Jon.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (62)5/11/2000 5:52:00 PM
From: Jon Koplik  Respond to of 543
 
Text of WSJ article about Maurice (and this thread) (for those who do not know that it is also posted within post # 62).

May 11, 2000

Message Board Blatantly Urges
Investors to Manipulate a Stock

By CARRIE LEE
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL INTERACTIVE EDITION

A new message board on Silicon Investor is raising eyebrows by openly urging
investors to join forces and drive up the price of Globalstar
Telecommunications stock to punish short-sellers.

Short-sellers are investors who hope to profit
by betting that the price of a stock will decline.
They do so by selling shares borrowed from
their broker, expecting to replace them for less
when the price falls.

But in allegedly trying to throw cold water on short-sellers, the creator of the
Silicon Investor board, "Globalstar Memorial Day Massacre," may be
promoting a plan that violates securities laws against stock manipulation.

What makes it more interesting is that the organizer is very blatant about the
intentions to influence Globalstar stock and hurt investors. Usually, people who
set out to manipulate a stock try to do so very discreetly to avoid tipping off
investors who could be harmed and securities regulators.

A Silicon Investor member who uses the screen name Maurice Winn (which
he says is his real name) set up the board on May 8. The goal is to cause a
spike in Globalstar stock around Memorial Day, May 29, which Mr. Winn calls
D-Day.

Globalstar stock has languished amid delays and
questions about the viability of the San Jose,
Calif., company's satellite-telephone service.
Short-sellers have sold about 25 million
Globalstar shares -- expecting them to decline
further and provide profitable opportunities.

"It would be a nice time, just before the summer holidays, to have some fun,
get stock prices going up, having a battle with shorts. Silicon Investor Short
Squeeze Day!" wrote Mr. Winn, whose Silicon Investor member profile says
he lives in New Zealand.

Mr. Winn is urging investors to pull their Globalstar shares from margin
accounts where their brokers could loan them to short-sellers. He hopes that
would force the brokers to recall shares already on loan, driving up prices as
short-sellers rush to buy the stock on the open market to repay their brokers.

"In fact, just the fear of it happening can make short-sellers cover to avoid
being caught in a rapidly rising market," Mr. Winn wrote. He says his plan also
is to test the "synergistic" power of the Internet to rally investors to move a
stock.

But the plan may face a different test from securities regulators, who have
been cracking down on stock manipulation and securities fraud on the Internet.
John Reed Stark, chief of Internet enforcement at the Securities and Exchange
Commission, says a unified effort to influence a stock may be illegal. He
declines to comment specifically on the Globalstar board.

"If you're trying to artificially inflate or deflate the price of a stock, whether by
false information or otherwise, it can be a manipulation and a potential
securities violation," Mr. Stark says.

Any increase in the price of the flagging stock also could benefit current
shareholders, who could then profit on their sales. Mr. Winn admits that he, his
family and friends do own Globalstar shares. "To ensure I stay well inside the
law, if it exists on this, I don't plan on buying or selling over the next month
anyway," he responds by e-mail to a reporter's questions.

Nevertheless, Mr. Winn says he doesn't think his overt plan to have investors
move stocks from margin accounts is "manipulative in any illegal sense." He
adds: "I think what is illegal, is conspiring to move a price secretly to personal
gain by trading on those secretive and manipulative price moves."

Officials at Globalstar declined to comment.

Any coordinated campaign to raise the price of Globalstar's stock would be
difficult. The company has 96.9 million shares outstanding, and institutional
investors own more than 38%, according to the Carson Group, a New York
financial information services firm.

But the potential legal issues are unchanged, whether a plan such as the
Globalstar board succeeds in moving a stock or not, says Bill McDonald,
enforcement director for the California Department of Corporations, which is
the state securities regulator in California.

"It is clearly market manipulation, it is clearly illegal," he says. "These people
are clearly trying to manipulate the market and say so blatantly, other people
are led to try to get a piece of the action."

Investors have long used Internet message boards to discuss stocks -- some
with malicious intent. For example, posters may try to encourage other
investors to dump shares so that they can buy them at a cheaper price, or
pump up a stock's price so that they can sell at a profit.

Silicon Investor prohibits members from using its boards to engage in illegal
activity. "We do respond to regulatory agencies that inform us of illegal
practices, but that area is not our expertise," says Byran Burdick, a spokesman.
"As an investor I would be suspect of what this guy is doing."

The Globalstar Massacre Board was at one point the top "hot subject" on
Silicon Investor on Wednesday. Through Wednesday afternoon, the board had
received 38 posts, but 21 were written by Mr. Winn. Nevertheless, some
posters say they support the effort.

"My G* shares are sitting quite happily in my retirement account where they
are (so far) sinking like a stone, tax deferred, and unmarginable. A short
squeeze would be just the right picker-upper to celebrate my birthday," posted
one board participant.

Globalstar shares have had a trying year. After soaring to an all time high of 53
3/4 on January 3, the first trading day of 2000, the stock has fallen to below 10
in recent days. On Wednesday, Globalstar shares closed down 17/32, to 8 7/16
on the Nasdaq Stock Market.

The stock has come under pressure amid the failure of other satellite-telephone
companies and questions about the long-term viability of its own project. With
its service marred by delays and other snags, the company posted a loss of
$208 million for the first quarter amid weak revenue.

Mr. Winn is hoping that any spike in the stock that results from his campaign
would coincide with announcements or fundamental improvements in the
company that would keep the shares from falling back and allowing short
sellers to gloat.

In any event, his posting urges supporters: "Just hang onto stocks and don't
sell on the spike. The worst that could happen is that the share price would go
back to where it was! It would be like going for a roller coaster ride. Fun but
not really useful or dangerous."

Write to Carrie Lee at carrie.lee@wsj.com

Copyright ¸ 2000 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (62)5/25/2000 9:37:00 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543
 
Carrie Lee and WSJ.com gets it wrong and libeled me, damaging my good reputation. The goal was not and is not to cause a spike in price and hurt investors for personal gain at the expense of others, which is implicit in the comments:

<What makes it more interesting is that the organizer is very blatant about the intentions to influence Globalstar stock and hurt investors. Usually, people who set out to manipulate a stock try to do so very discreetly to avoid tipping off investors who could be harmed and securities regulators.

A Silicon Investor member who uses the screen name Maurice Winn (which he says is his real name) set up the board on May 8. The goal is to cause a spike in Globalstar stock around Memorial Day, May 29, which Mr. Winn calls D-Day.
>

I also use the real name Maurice Winn and informed Carrie Lee of that in correspondence before the WSJ.com article. I also gave family details and links to family web sites.

I guess they don't like facts to get in the way of a good character destruction and story about the evil ways of the manipulative people on the internet. They lie about people and misunderstand or lie about events, then report their misconceptions or untruths to law enforcement officials such as Bill in California and the SEC.

Incidentally, neither the SEC nor Bill have contacted me to suggest it might be better to desist from posting or that this discussion is illegal manipulation. It can't be much of a worry to them. SI has not been asked to remove the discussion, which I'm sure they would have been if there was any problem with it. They surely would have removed it instantly if in doubt.

So it looks as though that guy Bryan Burdick, who allegedly has a job with SI, should be treated with suspicion when he says investors should be "suspect" of that guy [Ed: he meant me]. Since he got that wrong, you should assume he probably has everything else wrong too. Check with me before you listen to anything suspect that that guy Bryan Burdick [if that's his real name] says.

Mqurice

PS: The goals were many. Apart from fun, goals included reducing the short interest, thereby raising the stock price back to a sensible level based on the free market in actual stock authorized by law, rather than a random swarm of hypothecated debt instruments [which investors only find out about long after the event]. That would improve the ability of Globalstar to raise funds with less dilution to existing shareholders. It would strengthen the financial position of existing shareholders.

Oddly, the short interest seems to have increased?! Oh well, it's a free, fair, open, informed, blah, blah, blah market and individuals can all do what they like. Can't they? Now they actually know some more stuff, which will help them in their decision-making.

WSJ.com and Carrie Lee may offer their apologies for inaccuracy, misrepresentation and character damage here.