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To: spiral3 who wrote (24863)	5/16/2000 6:01:00 PM
From: drew_m	Respond to of 54805

RE: ELON Thanks so much for your post. A week or two ago there was a post regarding ELON and their lack of IPR. To say that it had me concerned was a bit of an understatement. Your post has clarified what I had previously thought to be true. Elon has created an open standard that requires the use of ELON IPR to use the technology to the fullest Thanks again, Drew

To: spiral3 who wrote (24863)	5/17/2000
From: kumar	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 54805

Spiral3, re Echelon : If I understood your post correctly (and please correct me if I misunderstood) : - Lontalk (the protocol) is IPR without fees/royalty (ie free). - LonWorks products that utilize Lontalk are not free. - there is nothing stopping XYZ company from using Lontalk to make their own "Lonworks competing product(s)" - Echelon has "time to market" advantage because of their knowledge of Lontalk better than others (today) Is the current "knowledge of Lontalk" by Echelon the only reason they are able to establish a value chain ? what if tomorrow (or 5 years later) the value chain competes with Echelon in developing competing products, because by then they too would be skilled in the Lontalk protocol ? If my understanding above is correct, "time to market" (aka execution), as the only advantage, does not appear to me to be a characteristic of a primate. rather it appears to be a characteristic in a royalty play. comments ? cheers, kumar