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To: The Barracuda™ who wrote (5791)	5/19/2000 3:30:00 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

Immigrants are not a 'burden on gov't budgets', they are a significant net positive in your economy ... there is considerable literature on this, many studies. Also, that border is a recent and artificial thing ... there are a number of points of view on whose 'home' is each piece of land. Lots more to hatred than isms, robert.

To: The Barracuda™ who wrote (5791)	5/19/2000 8:39:00 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 9127

I've been staring at your message all afternoon. And staring. And staring. Not only do I think I understand your point, I actually agree with you to a large extent. I must be in the Twilight Zone. Someone pinch me. Please. <<That rancher hunted those Mexicans down and shot them. He was not in fear for his life or property. Just pissed.>> Vigilane reprisals are unacceptable in a country of laws. Nor is inflicting a punishment so far in excess of the crime. Trespassing is not a capital offence. There's no excuse. <<In any case, the hostility of Americans towards immigrants is borne out of their acceptance of socialism.>> There are lots of reasons why many Americans are hostile toward immigrants, and lots of other stuff that has nothing to do with "reason." I agree with you that the extent to which the U.S. is "socialized" plays a role. Look at something as simple as group health insurance policies, not a government program but a voluntary and private one, one that is near and dear to all of us. Without group health insurance, it would be no one's business if I wear a seat belt or not. Some would say that it's no one's business in any case. But if I'm injured in an accident for which my group health insurance pays, then I'm taking from everyone else to pay my medical bills and it becomes their business if my personal habits are risky. The problem gets worse if the group is the population of a country and the insurance company is a federal government. It turns citizens into resentful busybodies. Immigrants are most conspicuously immigrants when they are new immigrants. And new immigrants, unless they enter the country via their special skills, most often can't yet pay their way. So they are given according to their needs, particularly medical care and social services. Sure, they usually end up paying their way and the way of newer immigrants, but that is not obvious when they're still new and conspicuously immigrant. I think there would be less hostility toward immigrants if there were no public assistance programs. Please, please, someone pinch me! Karen

To: The Barracuda™ who wrote (5791)	5/19/2000 9:15:00 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9127

There was an American saying that went "I don't want to be pushed around". Many generations of other nations have been pushed around for centuries. They run from a communist thug to a capitalist thug, it makes no difference. Lowering our standards to accommodate some third world cess pool does not make sense. You would be surprised at the number of Canadian doctors who travel to the Mayo Clinic when they get ill.

To: The Barracuda™ who wrote (5791)	5/20/2000 12:10:00 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 9127

the hostility of Americans towards immigrants is borne out of their acceptance of socialism. What a truly bizarre notion. The hostility of Americans toward immigrants is based first on racism, second on the fear that an influx of immigrant labor will increase the proportion of supply to demand in the low-skilled labor market, reducing the value of the labor of the previous immigrants. This is why hostility toward immigrants is highest among those who sell their labor in this niche of the market. This is a natural phenomenon in any market economy, and has nothing whatsoever to do with socialism.