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To: Follies who wrote (53045)5/21/2000 6:01:00 AM
From: d:oug  Respond to of 116763
 
dale,

Very good question, and before I give my answer
I will first document which areas of your question
I have no understanding of since I have close to
zero education and experience in those areas
and only know what posters like Ron Reece
explain as knowledge in their posts.

You understand my position I hope, as trying
to learn from Ron Reece's examples as being
the incorrect side of the truth, that I have to be
careful not to enter the realm of insanity.

So here goes,

a bank - yes, i know what a bank but don't push me on this one
is long - when your investment goes into the toilet & you follow
a billion dollars - i don't but bill gates does
gold futures contracts - a mob hit using a gold bar rather than a concrete block
sells calls - 10 10 234 or whatever those long distance number are
100 million dollars - bill gate's recent new house
derivative exposure - Hutch caught with his pants down
Why does it matter - only if it was the wife that caught Hutch

...of gold futures contracts and sells calls
for 100 million dollars against that same
amount of gold, what is their derivative exposure?

Why does it matter if it was a hundred times that much?

My answer(s) (Multiple Choice Format)

(1) does not matter as long as the gold remains in paper format
(2) matters if the gold on paper needs to be physically delivered
(3) really, this is not my area of whats what

The only example that may be in the same ballpark
is that a Savings Bank only has a small percentage
of the cash in it's vaults comparied to the amount
received as deposits. No problem since if times are
ok and normal than the Bank Model used to create
the banking system will work. If times go bad and there
is that "run" on the bank, along with all other banks in
that nation, then collapse since the bank will have
lost most all the depositor's money thru their investments
that when bad. The money is "out there" but the bank
defaults or whatever the term is, and with this worst case
example here the FDIC can only cough up 1 cents on a
dollar for the limit amount. Seems that someone ended up
with all that lost money, but then the economy is in a bad
way, so unless the money went to a safe nation......

My other answer is the same in that all the gold that was sold
at cheap prices to keep the price of gold low was created the
same way as paper money, this paper gold has no backing
of something of value. Like you buy something and rather than
pay cash and rather than use a check or credit card that will be
turned over for cash, you take a plain white piece of paper and
write on it " IOU 25 ounces of physical gold" and you also tell
that person that you recommend that he hold that paper gold
and don't try to take delivery, and to make this person agree
to this you make him an offer he can not refuse. You say that
you will buy lots of his paper money and give him paper gold
and that just so long he continues this swap you will let him
create all the paper money he wants without limit, and you will
always charge low paper money value for the paper gold.
This way that person/nation can obtain lots of gold for the
price of cheaply made printing paper currency.

The sky is the limit, as in no limit.
To the Moon.
They print paper money,
they print paper gold.
Supply & demand for paper money called inflation when the
supply is greater than demand.
Supply and demand for gold.........

Seems that there is too much gold "out there".

Paper or Plastic or Physical.

doug