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To: steve harris who wrote (111759)	5/21/2000 10:21:00 PM
From: crazyoldman	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571903

Hello Steve, Yes, I saw the ATACOM post on AMDZone earlier, it looks like I'm toast!!! Seriously, once I knew what to look for and had other processors to compare them to, my oldest three K7 700's did appear different than the 40 latest K7 700's. At this time, I feel OK with the last 40. ATACOM is getting quite a reputation (bad) with lots of customers. To be fair with them, I think they must get "jacked around" a lot by the customer, the gamers run everything to and beyond the limit and when they burn something up they "come back crying". Still that's no excuse for selling tampered products (if ATACOM knew it when they sold it). The real question is "are they willing participants in the re-marking game"? That could get them in real trouble if it can be proven. It would be interesting to see AMD's viewpoint on re-marking, i.e., what pattern exists with what vendors? Other than those first three processors, I've got no complaint about ATACOM, I have found them to be good to deal with. On the other hand I've never tried to return anything (RMA wise), I think they get sticky with that. From what vendor did you get your stuff? Were you pleased? Would you buy from them again? Do you recommend them? Kindest regards, Crazyman

To: steve harris who wrote (111759)	5/21/2000 10:50:00 PM
From: milo_morai	Respond to of 1571903

Thunderbird compatibility - armin - May 17 I got word from a friend who wishes to remain anonymous. He has stability testing results done with various Athlon motherboards and a Slot A Thunderbird sample: MSI K7Pro has no problem. It was very stable. EP-K7XKA doesn't work. BIOSTER M7MKE works. DCS's KX133 chipset board worked. MS-6167 doesn't work. AOpen KA72 can run, but it needs BIOS 1.02. These were individual tests with individual components, your mileage may vary. 3dnow.org

To: steve harris who wrote (111759)	5/22/2000 8:19:00 PM
From: crazyoldman	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571903

Hello Steve, Re: Re-marked Athlons. I recieved three replacement K7-700 MHz processors from AMD this afternoon. There was no letter associated with the returned processors, however last Friday I did recieve an email from the AMD Tech Support Center (the AMD office to which I returned the original processors). That email stated nothing about the particulars of this incident but rather was a customer satisfaction rating form for me to fill in and return. Apparently AMD had no problems verifying what I'd observed, I'm sure they ripped the cases off and checked the cores but they did not state this. The replacement processors are all week 45 of 1999 0.25 processors. I tested each one late this afternoon and each is in fine shape. BTW, the three replacement processors show NO evidence of having been tampered with! <hehe> Hard day on Wall Street for AMD and other techs. Someday (soon) it will become apparent exactly what a fine position our company is in, but right now it seems AMD is like Dr. Pepper, "So misunderstood" by so many. Tech is NOT going to disappear! To the contrary "tommorrow" is made up of the techs of today. Days like today give many bargin priced opportunities almost everywhere. I encourage all to look at the longer picture and focus on that distant mountain range of growth ahead. Short term market moves are unpredictable and most of the time is unwarranted. Just MHO. Kindest regards, CrazyMan