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To: dreydoc who wrote (8122)	5/22/2000 5:34:00 PM
From: MikeM54321	Respond to of 9068

dreydoc- Holy cow. What I take away from the article is how important it remains for ICA to remain delivery agnostic! CTXS needs to get ICA on everything that connects to anything. This appears to be their plan. And now they appear to be working developer tools into the game via Vertigo. Here's what I consider to be lessons CTXS appears to already know: Jini was ahead of its time. But they also note that technical, marketing and licensing problems all have contributed to the lack of a healthy developer community not just for Jini, but also for Java itself.... Microsoft made the operating system the platform of choice because it had more apps, and apps win. More apps turns into usability, and that's what needs to happen here... "The cell-phone manufacturers are looking at KJava and PersonalJava to create compelling user experiences, and they want that application community, so they're trying to create their own," says Espial marketing director Mal Raddalgoda. Instead of getting[or using/leveraging] the phenomenon of Windows where you have one API, each of the adopters is trying to court a few developers and is fragmenting a shared resource..." Well, well it gets more interesting all the time. Once we get more information on Vertigo, it'll be interesting to compare it to our speculations here. I have to say, trying to understand the above, makes understanding TCO and ASP a piece of cake.<g> -MikeM(From Florida)

To: dreydoc who wrote (8122)	5/31/2000 4:09:00 PM
From: MikeM54321	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 9068

Re: More on Vertigo dreydoc, Ray, and Thread- Well after about a week of phone tag with CTXS IR, I finally have an idea of what Vertigo is about. And, lo and behold, it looks like all our speculation was correct. It's a project that allows developers to create 'rich' HTML, pretty much as Ray first posted in his notes. The key point is, it apparently still uses ICA as the delivery tool. dreydoc- So the answer to your original inquiry: "...I must be missing something here. Is ICA the transport for Vertigo-based app's or not?" ....Appears to be, Yes. ICA is still the transport vehicle. Vertigo is an HTML developers tool. Therefore I believe my re-write of the story you linked us to is accurate. My re-write is as follows: "The Palm demo used a version of Citrix's Vertigo application for developers to preview stock quotes and weather. Citrix's ICA protocol isn't appropriate for devices with small screen real estate like the Palm, to port to the user, full-blown Window apps. So using Vertigo, which is currently undergoing development, all of the objects in the user interface are actually re-writes of Window apps, down-sized for the Palm screen. ICA is still used to transport the app to the handheld." Keep in mind, I certainly don't know if mobile wireless Internet is the primary target for Vertigo. The Vertigo solution may simply be the CTXS answer to the java/HTML model, but happens to work well with wireless data devices. All in all the Vertigo branch is most interesting because notice it has nothing to do with Windows. But I can't believe this is true. I'm guessing there is a Windows connection in there somewhere. But we just don't know where yet. -MikeM(From Florida)