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To: Neocon who wrote (79642)	5/23/2000 9:34:00 AM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Hi Neo! Not to argue, or even discuss the bible (not qualified), but there seems a secular, cultural script in the scripture you cite. It is good for all rulers to draw power from the lowly, coincident with some sort of state sanctification. The communists did it, the Democratic Party in this country did it -- many others have done it. And, in any case, further empowerment of those already close to the throne leads to special bulletins on BC-TV -- "The king is dead, long live the king!" Strictly a personal opinion. Mike

To: Neocon who wrote (79642)	5/23/2000 12:15:00 PM
From: Jacques Chitte	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

I have less problems than Del with most of the Old Testament. After all, I assume a lot of cultural filtration occurred in the transposition of idea into historical text. But the New Testament was written in Roman times, and the Romans had some pretty advanced sensibilities. The idea that somebody innocent needs to DIE badly in order to restore "justice" is profoundly misanthropic. Imo. I simply can't wrap myself around that. I also have trouble with the core doctrine that we are born in sin. I'm pretty sure that we're born amoral, thoroughly meshed in our ego, and that social rules and morality are learned. But I wouldn't intuitively ascribe either "moral" or "sinful" nature to our innermost identities. Again - imo.