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To: David Miller who wrote (4934)	5/24/2000 1:44:00 AM
From: Kashish King	Respond to of 5102

There a lot of contributors to this thread who are really far behind the technology curve. I mean, they actually do not think that Java is doing anything out there. They will point to the shelves at CompUSA and observe that the latest "models" of popular products were not rewritten in Java. This is sort of like an early 20th century investor walking down a dirt road looking for evidence of the aircraft everybody was talking about: ah, look up. In case anybody hasn't noticed, the weak feature set and brain-dead design of HTML hasn't stopped the entire economy from shifting toward it. Besides, the fix is in: Java Script on the browser, advanced HTML standards and, above all, Java Server Pages. That's not to say Captive Server Pages with Active Xcrement isn't still playing a major role, but it's really playing second kazoo in contrast to JSP at first violin. The size and scope of Java-based development has achieved mind boggling proportions. Take any bank, large retail, small e-tailer, monster corporation, academic institution or government office. They are building or plan to build new systems with web interfaces. Software with a JSP back end is just starting to lift off the launch pad. The train hasn't left the station on this for investors, yet. Those still doing static HTML forms with GGI back-ends are using the programmatic equivalent of the Model-T ford. Nay, the AMC Gremlin.

To: David Miller who wrote (4934)	5/24/2000 9:24:00 PM
From: David R	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5102

It should not be surprising that Java is making the gains that it is. After all, most of the non-MSFT players are pushing it hard. It has failed to live up to much of its initial hype. I must live on another planet because in my work, once we got past the initial hype, talk of Java has pretty much ceased. Note that I was previously developing telephony application server, and now am doing real-time video encode/decode. These are not exactly areas where Java would be useful.